• What if?

    From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 04:22:17 2022
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to StarDust on Fri Jan 7 13:09:11 2022
    On 07/01/2022 12:22, StarDust wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?

    It is already too far away from Earth for any military ballistic missile
    to catch up with it. An asteroid probe might be able to get there and in
    due course maybe we will see a robotic maintenance visit.

    Hopefully the Webb telescope will not prove to be myopic at first light.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 07:37:30 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?

    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jan 7 10:35:32 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    Are you sure the JWT is only for scientific use and has no military purposes? The Space Shuttle was used for military missions, mater of fact after the Challenger incident the military bought 80% of the launches.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jan 7 11:06:32 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    The space Shuttle was a weapon platform too!
    New one is the X-37 robotic shuttle.
    I read somewhere, astronauts are the perfect spies.

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@21:1/5 to StarDust on Fri Jan 7 14:21:46 2022
    On 07/01/2022 12.35, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?

    "Down" is kind of tricky. It they shot it now, it'd just cruise right
    through the L2 region, as I understand it.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    Are you sure the JWT is only for scientific use and has no military purposes?

    1.5e6 km away would make it pretty useless for Earth-oriented military purposes. An object in Earth orbit, preferably low Earth orbit, would be
    much more useful.


    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Yes, I am aware that I'm feeding a troll.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 13:21:48 2022
    Folks, this has drifted so far off course, not to mention going into the political stream, that it's not going anywhere. lock.gif

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 16:35:07 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 10:35:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    Are you sure the JWT is only for scientific use and has no military purposes? >The Space Shuttle was used for military missions, mater of fact after the Challenger incident the military bought 80% of the launches.

    What possible military purpose could an IR telescope located so far
    away serve? It can't even see through the atmosphere at most of the
    wavelengths it was designed for!

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 7 16:36:25 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 11:06:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    The space Shuttle was a weapon platform too!
    New one is the X-37 robotic shuttle.
    I read somewhere, astronauts are the perfect spies.

    The Shuttle was a general purpose launch vehicle and space platform
    that was openly designed for both civilian and military use.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Jan 7 21:52:32 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 3:36:29 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 11:06:32 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    The space Shuttle was a weapon platform too!
    New one is the X-37 robotic shuttle.
    I read somewhere, astronauts are the perfect spies.
    The Shuttle was a general purpose launch vehicle and space platform
    that was openly designed for both civilian and military use.

    Yes, but after the Challenger accident, NASA was screwed, the military bought 80% of the launches.
    Clearly remember reading about it back then!
    Most space missions are for dual-purposes anyway!
    Astronauts are the perfect spies out in space, looking down to us.
    What is this secret x-37 robotic shuttle? https://images01.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2019-07/x-37b-vandenberg-2100.jpg?itok=IIFxEmwD
    I'm sure it's not for studying bug's sex life out in space?
    Militarization of space is going on secretly, I think.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Jan 8 09:23:19 2022
    On 07/01/2022 18:35, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    Are you sure the JWT is only for scientific use and has no military purposes?

    Yes.

    It has no easy way for observing Earth from where it will ultimately be positioned at L2 along the Earth - Sun axis with its heat shield facing
    the sun. It will mostly observe a stripe of sky approximately at right
    angles to the instantaneous Earth-Sun axis (by design).

    The Space Shuttle was used for military missions, mater of fact after the Challenger incident the military bought 80% of the launches.

    Mostly putting up spy satellites of various sorts into low Earth orbit.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 8 07:16:45 2022
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 21:52:32 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 3:36:29 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 11:06:32 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    The space Shuttle was a weapon platform too!
    New one is the X-37 robotic shuttle.
    I read somewhere, astronauts are the perfect spies.
    The Shuttle was a general purpose launch vehicle and space platform
    that was openly designed for both civilian and military use.

    Yes, but after the Challenger accident, NASA was screwed, the military bought 80% of the launches.
    Clearly remember reading about it back then!
    Most space missions are for dual-purposes anyway!
    Astronauts are the perfect spies out in space, looking down to us.
    What is this secret x-37 robotic shuttle? >https://images01.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2019-07/x-37b-vandenberg-2100.jpg?itok=IIFxEmwD
    I'm sure it's not for studying bug's sex life out in space?
    Militarization of space is going on secretly, I think.

    Maybe it is. But JWST has absolutely no feasible military or
    intelligence value.

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  • From MitchAlsup@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Sun Jan 9 14:39:48 2022
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 3:23:23 AM UTC-6, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 07/01/2022 18:35, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    Are you sure the JWT is only for scientific use and has no military purposes?
    Yes.

    It has no easy way for observing Earth from where it will ultimately be positioned at L2 along the Earth - Sun axis with its heat shield facing
    the sun. It will mostly observe a stripe of sky approximately at right
    angles to the instantaneous Earth-Sun axis (by design).
    <
    The sun shield is also an earth shield; at the wavelengths JWST operates
    the earth is a somewhat-serious source of unwanted heat.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to MitchAlsup on Thu Jan 13 14:43:36 2022
    On 09/01/2022 22:39, MitchAlsup wrote:
    On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 3:23:23 AM UTC-6, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 07/01/2022 18:35, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 6:37:33 AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote: >>>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 04:22:17 -0800 (PST),
    wrote:
    Chine or Russia shoots down JWT?
    What would happen?
    Why would they? If either country decided to go to war with us, there
    are a lot better space assets for them to target than a difficult to
    access research telescope. They'd go for communications and
    observation.

    In any case, both countries are dependent on the U.S. continuing. The
    era of shooting wars between major countries is over. Their attacks
    now involve manipulation (like getting Trump elected). Things that
    further their economic goals.

    Are you sure the JWT is only for scientific use and has no military purposes?
    Yes.

    It has no easy way for observing Earth from where it will ultimately be
    positioned at L2 along the Earth - Sun axis with its heat shield facing
    the sun. It will mostly observe a stripe of sky approximately at right
    angles to the instantaneous Earth-Sun axis (by design).
    <
    The sun shield is also an earth shield; at the wavelengths JWST operates
    the earth is a somewhat-serious source of unwanted heat.

    The Earth would certainly be thermal IR bright but it would not
    represent a significant heat input to the telescope system when compared
    to the ~1kW/m^2 coming from the sun. The scope will be in equilibrium
    with mostly empty sky at 4K and a tiny distant Earth emitting at ~300K
    plus whatever thermal input leaks through the multi layered heat shield.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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