• Why the new approach to Venus/Mercury retrogrades is different

    From kelleher.gerald@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 09:22:32 2021
    " Venus seems at times to retrograde, particularly when it is nearest to the earth, like the superior planets, but for the opposite reason. For this regression of the superior planets happens because the motion of the earth is more rapid than theirs, but
    with Venus, because it is slower; and because the superior planets enclose the great circle, whereas Venus is enclosed within it. Hence Venus is never in opposition to the sun, since the earth cannot come between them, but it moves within fixed distances
    on either side of the sun. " Copernicus, Commetariolus, 1509

    http://copernicus.torun.pl/en/archives/astronomical/1/?view=transkrypcja&

    This is 500 years before satellite imaging tracking with the Earth demotes the Ptolemaic framework, whereas Copernicus was forced to explain his observations using Ptolemaic language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    That is consistent with his description, however, the availability of the C3 imaging allows for a streamlined approach which offers the observer a full perspective of the motion of the faster moving planets closer to the Sun while still accounting for
    the Prtolemaic language of direct/retrogrades, superior/inferior planets, conjunctions and oppositions or any of the older and defunct language in this space age.

    I so admire what that man did and only sorry that although 500 years ago, there are fewer people around today who have a grasp of what is being modified for our era in the partitioning of the faster moving and slower moving planets as seen from a moving
    Earth.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to kellehe...@gmail.com on Fri Nov 19 14:58:21 2021
    On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 9:22:34 AM UTC-8, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
    " Venus seems at times to retrograde, particularly when it is nearest to the earth, like the superior planets, but for the opposite reason. For this regression of the superior planets happens because the motion of the earth is more rapid than theirs,
    but with Venus, because it is slower; and because the superior planets enclose the great circle, whereas Venus is enclosed within it. Hence Venus is never in opposition to the sun, since the earth cannot come between them, but it moves within fixed
    distances on either side of the sun. " Copernicus, Commetariolus, 1509

    http://copernicus.torun.pl/en/archives/astronomical/1/?view=transkrypcja&

    This is 500 years before satellite imaging tracking with the Earth demotes the Ptolemaic framework, whereas Copernicus was forced to explain his observations using Ptolemaic language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    That is consistent with his description, however, the availability of the C3 imaging allows for a streamlined approach which offers the observer a full perspective of the motion of the faster moving planets closer to the Sun while still accounting for
    the Prtolemaic language of direct/retrogrades, superior/inferior planets, conjunctions and oppositions or any of the older and defunct language in this space age.

    I so admire what that man did and only sorry that although 500 years ago, there are fewer people around today who have a grasp of what is being modified for our era in the partitioning of the faster moving and slower moving planets as seen from a
    moving Earth.

    Maybe he was a member of your family tree?

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  • From Mike Collins@21:1/5 to kellehe...@gmail.com on Fri Nov 19 15:33:20 2021
    On Friday, 19 November 2021 at 17:22:34 UTC, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
    " Venus seems at times to retrograde, particularly when it is nearest to the earth, like the superior planets, but for the opposite reason. For this regression of the superior planets happens because the motion of the earth is more rapid than theirs,
    but with Venus, because it is slower; and because the superior planets enclose the great circle, whereas Venus is enclosed within it. Hence Venus is never in opposition to the sun, since the earth cannot come between them, but it moves within fixed
    distances on either side of the sun. " Copernicus, Commetariolus, 1509

    http://copernicus.torun.pl/en/archives/astronomical/1/?view=transkrypcja&

    This is 500 years before satellite imaging tracking with the Earth demotes the Ptolemaic framework, whereas Copernicus was forced to explain his observations using Ptolemaic language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    That is consistent with his description, however, the availability of the C3 imaging allows for a streamlined approach which offers the observer a full perspective of the motion of the faster moving planets closer to the Sun while still accounting for
    the Prtolemaic language of direct/retrogrades, superior/inferior planets, conjunctions and oppositions or any of the older and defunct language in this space age.

    I so admire what that man did and only sorry that although 500 years ago, there are fewer people around today who have a grasp of what is being modified for our era in the partitioning of the faster moving and slower moving planets as seen from a
    moving Earth.

    500 years before satellite imaging and only 1,900 years after Aristarchus of Samos explained it.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Mike Collins on Fri Nov 19 18:14:56 2021
    On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 4:33:21 PM UTC-7, Mike Collins wrote:

    500 years before satellite imaging and only 1,900 years after Aristarchus of Samos explained it.

    That is hardly Copernicus' fault. As I noted in another closely related thread, the ancient work
    in which Aristarchus' version of the heliocentric theory is described only surfaced the year after
    _De Revolutionibis_; all that the Europe of the day had before that was a work that alluded to
    Aristarchus having believed in the heliocentric theory as... a mere possibility.

    The breakdown of civilization, the conserlvatism of the institutions that held power - these things
    carry the blame for the long interregnum.

    John Savard

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  • From kelleher.gerald@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mike Collins on Sat Nov 20 01:22:44 2021
    On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 11:33:21 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
    On Friday, 19 November 2021 at 17:22:34 UTC, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:
    " Venus seems at times to retrograde, particularly when it is nearest to the earth, like the superior planets, but for the opposite reason. For this regression of the superior planets happens because the motion of the earth is more rapid than theirs,
    but with Venus, because it is slower; and because the superior planets enclose the great circle, whereas Venus is enclosed within it. Hence Venus is never in opposition to the sun, since the earth cannot come between them, but it moves within fixed
    distances on either side of the sun. " Copernicus, Commetariolus, 1509

    http://copernicus.torun.pl/en/archives/astronomical/1/?view=transkrypcja&

    This is 500 years before satellite imaging tracking with the Earth demotes the Ptolemaic framework, whereas Copernicus was forced to explain his observations using Ptolemaic language.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

    That is consistent with his description, however, the availability of the C3 imaging allows for a streamlined approach which offers the observer a full perspective of the motion of the faster moving planets closer to the Sun while still accounting
    for the Prtolemaic language of direct/retrogrades, superior/inferior planets, conjunctions and oppositions or any of the older and defunct language in this space age.

    I so admire what that man did and only sorry that although 500 years ago, there are fewer people around today who have a grasp of what is being modified for our era in the partitioning of the faster moving and slower moving planets as seen from a
    moving Earth.
    500 years before satellite imaging and only 1,900 years after Aristarchus of Samos explained it.


    It is worth repeating that you were the only contributor to affirm the transition of the stars from left to right of the stationary/central Sun as a consequence of the orbital motion of the Earth, thereby accepting the modification as opposed to the
    Ptolemaic language of the motion of the Sun through the constellations. I find this remarkable insofar as the perceptive strength needed to make the judgment is also the one that gives a person satisfaction in what they are seeing and interpreting-

    https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

    That is Mercury coming within range of the C3 camera in direct motion presently and in the opposite direction to the change in position of the stars when it is travelling behind the Sun and furthest from the Earth-

    " Of all the orbits in the heaven, however, the most remarkable is that of Mercury, which traverses almost untraceable paths so that it cannot be easily studied. There is the further difficulty that it generally follows a course invisible in the sun's
    rays and is observable on very few days. Yet Mercury too will be understood, provided that it is investigated by someone of superior ability. " Copernicus, Commentariolus

    The satisfaction is seeing Mercury close to the Sun whereas those men could only capture brief sightings would normally evoke excitement yet even with this grandstand view from a satellite tracking further out, a discussion on the enormous modifications
    needed to present it for general appreciation and enjoyment is almost impossible here and likewise anywhere else due to a dominant subculture.

    You had the superior ability to discern the change in position of the stars as a consequence of orbital motion alone, yet you choose to remain with contrived perspectives that can be accounted for as clockwork and calendar perspectives.

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  • From kelleher.gerald@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 20 01:37:02 2021
    I will no longer deal with dullardsand bluffers who are ignorant of history and the great traditions that passed through the generations for those with the perceptive ability to know what was presented. Copernicus was familiar with the work of
    Aristagoras the Stoic through the Greek texts-

    http://copernicus.torun.pl/en/science/literature/1/

    " replied Lucius laughing, “do not bring an action for impiety against us, just as Cleanthes thought it right that the Greeks collectively should impeach Aristagoras the Stoic, of impiety, for overthrowing the altar of Earth, because the fellow
    attempted to account for visible phenomena by supposing that the sky remains fixed, and that the earth rolls round down an oblique circle, turning at the same time upon its own axis." Plutarch

    Copernicus was aware of how the Greeks tried to gain a heliocentric perspective, yet the focus of their attention was limited as described above, so when he shifted emphasis to direct/retrogrades of the outer planets and then accounted for daily rotation
    as a separate motion, then all the pieces came together apart from the Precession of the Equinoxes and the motions of Venus and Mercury.

    It is 500 years on since then brilliant man aided by the observations of Galileo presented the valuable reasons for a moving Earth in a Sun-centred system and there are fewer people around today able to consider the matter with integrity than there were
    back then. I regret this, I regret this wholeheartedly.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 20 06:43:06 2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j2SbwkALdU

    ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Chicoms
    have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into
    orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?

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