• Re: Time to get violent with global warmists up to no good?

    From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 5 21:18:41 2024
    On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 19:08:48 -0800 (PST), Rich <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Remember when the French secret service sunk the Greenpeace vessel? They were one of the few groups with enough will to oppose radical environmentalism. We may need more of that to deal with these maniacs, or the atmosphere salters.

    I prefer KSR's solution/prediction in Ministry for the Future.
    Terrorists start blowing up airplanes and ships, which quickly ends
    commercial air travel and container ship shipping. They are credited
    with playing one of the most important roles in saving the planet.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Sat Feb 10 17:58:21 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:40:37 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 9:18:46?PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    I prefer KSR's solution/prediction in Ministry for the Future.
    Terrorists start blowing up airplanes and ships, which quickly ends
    commercial air travel and container ship shipping. They are credited
    with playing one of the most important roles in saving the planet.

    I expect that the Houthi forces that have dared to attack
    international shipping will be eradicated from the face
    of the Earth, so that this will not happen again.

    Of course we must stop global warming. But we also must
    stop crime and terrorism. Commercial cargo ships should be
    able to travel over all international waters in perfect and
    absolute safety - because anyone thinking of doing anything
    else would bring down the wrath of the world's major powers
    upon themselves.

    But just as the world's governments should act firmly against
    terrorism, they must also act firmly against global warming. It
    should be clear that it is simply irrational to permit changes to
    the composition of the Earth's atmosphere on a global scale
    when there is a strong likelihood of deleterious consequences
    for weather and climate.

    As I've noted, the fact that we know how to generate electricity
    from fission, and we know how to build breeder reactors, so that
    we have common U-238 as a source of fission fuel, means that
    we are *not* forced to use fossil fuels even if we need much
    more energy than can be derived from renewables.

    To me, this fact is decisive, because it's possible otherwise for
    people to argue, "oh, those eco-freaks have a back-to-nature
    agenda; they want to make it impossible for the U.S. to have
    enough heavy industry to support its military; which, of course,
    will lead to Russia and China conquering the world, not to world
    peace, the way they dream".

    We need to prevent global warming, and we won't be able to do
    so unless we manage to "de-politicize" the issue in this sense -
    as long as a large number of people can be convinced that taking
    the measures to stop global warming would be even more obviously
    and quickly suicidal than not doing so, then those measures won't
    happen.

    You can argue that nuclear energy isn't needed or is too expensive,
    but even if that were true, it wouldn't affect the central thrust of my >argument. I suspect that "too expensive" is because it's artificially >inflated by allowing environmentalists to challenge nuclear projects,
    and that it's "not needed" if you think that a massive military buildup
    by the United States isn't needed, though.

    Of course, though, my solution is obsolete in one important sense.

    I'm trying to meet the objections of the Republican voters of
    fifty years ago. Today, because Russia is fascist instead of
    Communist, Republicans have no problem with it gobbling up
    neighboring countries like Ukraine - their attitude is like what
    the Right had towards Hitler and Mussolini before World War II.

    Today's Trump supporters, however, would not be won over to
    stopping the flow of money to oil companies even by nuclear
    power. Maybe Trump is their fault (the fault of the oil
    companies, that is).

    John Savard

    KSR concluded that the world governments wouldn't fix things. The
    ecoterrorists were very effective. Turns out if you knock 50 airplanes
    out of the sky on the same day, most people stop flying. No policy
    required. You sink a few container ships (and indeed, you develop very plausible weapon systems that are cheap and even military vessels
    can't do much to stop) and it's cheaper to electrify the ships and
    take a few days longer in transport.

    We'll see. It's a sort of terrorism that our police and military are
    not well equipped to deal with should it rise.

    Nuclear power has no significant future, but neither do fossil fuels.

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