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  • Your scope and mount have arrived!!

    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 29 15:08:59 2021
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Oct 29 18:02:58 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1

    Did Ja know, ebay has a 10% selling fee now days?
    So, if this AP scope sells for $20k or more, selling fee is $2k or more?
    Maybe Chris buys it back? (o:

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Fri Oct 29 19:55:57 2021
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 21:02:59 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1

    Did Ja know, ebay has a 10% selling fee now days?
    So, if this AP scope sells for $20k or more, selling fee is $2k or more? Maybe Chris buys it back? (o:

    It's not 10%, it's 14.8% all-in. It hasn't been 10% since they were still using paypal.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Fri Oct 29 20:30:16 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:22:56 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?

    I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    Also, brand new 180mm apochromats from TEC are available for about $24,000.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 29 20:22:55 2021
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT. In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Fri Oct 29 23:11:03 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:30:18 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

    I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    And, just to review, here are some alternatives at that aperture:

    An Orion 180mm Maksutov-Cassegrain optical tube is $1,299.99...

    not a heck of a lot more expensive than a 200mm Schmidt-Cassegrain!
    f/15, 2-inch optical back, 1.25" adapter included.

    Of course, it's made in China by Synta.

    A similar item would be $1590 in Canada.

    Stellarvue is taking *deposits* of $2,000 for their 180mm apochromats,
    but the price isn't stated on their page. I guess if you have to ask, you
    can't afford it, as the saying goes.

    Ah, it was $17,995 when originally announced.

    In addition to Stellarvue and TEC, a company called CFF telescopes
    in Europe also makes such telescopes.

    On the other hand, an 8-inch Newtonian is available for $799.99 from
    Orion. It's f/4.9, not the traditional f/6, so the central obstruction will
    be larger.

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Fri Oct 29 23:12:43 2021
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 23:30:18 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:22:56 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?
    I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    Also, brand new 180mm apochromats from TEC are available for about $24,000.

    John Savard

    Neither of which match the AP. I've had two Q7s. Very good telescopes.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Fri Oct 29 23:11:46 2021
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 23:22:56 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?

    John Savard

    That's with a 1200 mount worth $10,000 so the scope is only $10k. The 180mm f7 if you can find one is $34,000.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 06:54:44 2021
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 23:30:18 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:22:56 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?
    I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    Also, brand new 180mm apochromats from TEC are available for about $24,000. >>
    John Savard

    Neither of which match the AP. I've had two Q7s. Very good telescopes.

    No. But a 12" SCT would outperform it, still for a fraction of the
    cost.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Oct 30 05:33:40 2021
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 12:12:44 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Neither of which match the AP.

    True, I'm sure the Astro-Physics apochromat is a very high quality
    telescope. Even so, with 8 hours left in the auction, there have been
    no bids.

    Which, to me, isn't all that surprising. While a 180mm Maksutov-Cassegrain
    of Chinese make isn't nearly the equal of an apochromat, it's still a good telescope optically - and vastly cheaper. The small increment in quality
    is worth the much higher cost only to a very few.

    A Maksutov-Cassegrain - besides being available in the 7-inch size, thus facilitating direct comparison - is, of course, a convenient sealed tube,
    and compact, hence offering many of the same benefits as an apo,
    as compared to an even cheaper Newtonian.

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sat Oct 30 16:21:49 2021
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 08:54:49 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 23:30:18 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:22:56 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?
    I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    Also, brand new 180mm apochromats from TEC are available for about $24,000.

    John Savard

    Neither of which match the AP. I've had two Q7s. Very good telescopes.
    No. But a 12" SCT would outperform it, still for a fraction of the
    cost.

    I've had 2 Meade 12" LX200's. About 4% of the time, it would outdo the AP on planets. On deepsky, it would beat it all the time.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sat Oct 30 16:30:20 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 8:22:56 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?

    John Savard

    Yes! But it only cost $111.1111/mm!
    Still cheaper than gold?
    🤔

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sat Oct 30 16:20:57 2021
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 08:33:42 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 12:12:44 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Neither of which match the AP.
    True, I'm sure the Astro-Physics apochromat is a very high quality
    telescope. Even so, with 8 hours left in the auction, there have been
    no bids.

    Which, to me, isn't all that surprising. While a 180mm Maksutov-Cassegrain
    of Chinese make isn't nearly the equal of an apochromat, it's still a good telescope optically - and vastly cheaper. The small increment in quality
    is worth the much higher cost only to a very few.

    A Maksutov-Cassegrain - besides being available in the 7-inch size, thus facilitating direct comparison - is, of course, a convenient sealed tube,
    and compact, hence offering many of the same benefits as an apo,
    as compared to an even cheaper Newtonian.

    John Savard

    The only Mak I've seen almost keep up with an AP was a Ceravolo 8 inch Mak-Newtonian. I had it and a 7 inch AP all to myself for about an hour and compared them.
    The Mak was very close, but not quite as good on planets. Only deepsky it was better.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Oct 30 17:58:30 2021
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1

    AP SOLD for $20k !
    1 bid!

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Oct 30 19:54:35 2021
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 20:58:31 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    AP SOLD for $20k !
    1 bid!

    Yes, he got his $20K and closed the auction.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Oct 30 20:38:15 2021
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 20:58:31 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    AP SOLD for $20k !
    1 bid!
    Yes, he got his $20K and closed the auction.

    Price of a good, used car!
    Bruhaha!

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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Oct 30 23:11:12 2021
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 20:58:31 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    AP SOLD for $20k !
    1 bid!
    Yes, he got his $20K and closed the auction.

    And to think, my first house (1973) was $29K... and it just sold (not by me) for $1.3 million...

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to palsing on Sun Oct 31 01:01:10 2021
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 11:11:14 PM UTC-7, palsing wrote:
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 20:58:31 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    AP SOLD for $20k !
    1 bid!
    Yes, he got his $20K and closed the auction.
    And to think, my first house (1973) was $29K... and it just sold (not by me) for $1.3 million...

    It's all inflation!
    Saleries hasn't increased 45x since?

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 09:27:43 2021
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:21:49 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 08:54:49 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 23:30:18 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:22:56 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it?
    I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    Also, brand new 180mm apochromats from TEC are available for about $24,000.

    John Savard

    Neither of which match the AP. I've had two Q7s. Very good telescopes.
    No. But a 12" SCT would outperform it, still for a fraction of the
    cost.

    I've had 2 Meade 12" LX200's. About 4% of the time, it would outdo the AP on planets. On deepsky, it would beat it all the time.

    That's the impact of aperture. The greater the aperture, the more it
    is affected by seeing. The trick with planets, of course, is to learn
    to catch the moments of good seeing. The 12" scope will always produce
    higher resolution views of the planets than the 7" one. But it's easy
    to be fooled by the periods between clear views where seeing issues
    arise.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sun Oct 31 14:30:40 2021
    On Sunday, 31 October 2021 at 11:27:46 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:21:49 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 08:54:49 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 23:12:43 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 23:30:18 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:22:56 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    Oh, well, at least it has a 180 mm aperture. Over 7 inches.
    The price is still outrageous, of course. So I think I'll stick with an 8" SCT.
    In fact, even a 7" Questar would be cheaper than that, wouldn't it? >> >> I checked. A 7" Questar starts from $8,599.

    Also, brand new 180mm apochromats from TEC are available for about $24,000.

    John Savard

    Neither of which match the AP. I've had two Q7s. Very good telescopes.
    No. But a 12" SCT would outperform it, still for a fraction of the
    cost.

    I've had 2 Meade 12" LX200's. About 4% of the time, it would outdo the AP on planets. On deepsky, it would beat it all the time.
    That's the impact of aperture. The greater the aperture, the more it
    is affected by seeing. The trick with planets, of course, is to learn
    to catch the moments of good seeing. The 12" scope will always produce
    higher resolution views of the planets than the 7" one. But it's easy
    to be fooled by the periods between clear views where seeing issues
    arise.

    certain high frequency seeing problems seen in suburban or urban viewing areas mean those few seconds never come. The image can just boil. But in a real observing environment, you might
    see more most of the time with a 12 than a 7. According to Jean Texereau, a ten inch scope is maybe useful to its full resolution 5% of the time. But he also said anything smaller than 7 inch
    scope was useless for planets.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sun Oct 31 14:28:32 2021
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 23:38:17 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Saturday, 30 October 2021 at 20:58:31 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:09:01 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    AP SOLD for $20k !
    1 bid!
    Yes, he got his $20K and closed the auction.
    Price of a good, used car!
    Bruhaha!

    Heh heh! Maybe LAST year it was!

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Nov 2 18:07:55 2021
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 18:09:01 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1

    How about another one in the same league?

    https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/274761-for-sale-tec200-apo-fl-f8-fluorite-apochromat-refractor/

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Nov 2 19:03:27 2021
    On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 6:07:58 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 18:09:01 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    How about another one in the same league?

    https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/274761-for-sale-tec200-apo-fl-f8-fluorite-apochromat-refractor/

    Also, for this TEC scope, need a big truck to move it around!
    2-3 people to set it up too!

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Nov 2 19:00:34 2021
    On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 6:07:58 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 18:09:01 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    How about another one in the same league?

    https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/274761-for-sale-tec200-apo-fl-f8-fluorite-apochromat-refractor/

    I would buy this TEC scope as a second, next to my Celestron/Vixen 4" f/9 CF refractor!
    😎

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  • From =?iso-8859-1?Q?fred__k._engels=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 3 07:10:19 2021
    ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Chicoms
    have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into
    orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZs17faxZHo

    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 3 13:07:38 2021
    On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 7:10:27 AM UTC-7, fred k. engels® wrote:
    ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Chicoms have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZs17faxZHo

    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for ya?

    Oh Shenandoah - said the Chines!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_dFUi4oQsw

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Wed Nov 3 16:19:21 2021
    On Tuesday, 2 November 2021 at 22:00:37 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 6:07:58 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 18:09:01 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133056522?hash=item2b1aca420a:g:T2IAAOSwcqlhdzd1
    How about another one in the same league?

    https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/274761-for-sale-tec200-apo-fl-f8-fluorite-apochromat-refractor/
    I would buy this TEC scope as a second, next to my Celestron/Vixen 4" f/9 CF refractor!
    😎

    I wouldn't squander $30K on a company that couldn't even get it right the first time.

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  • From =?iso-8859-1?Q?fred__k._engels=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 27 05:59:28 2021
    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Ruscoms
    have just launched another massive spy satellite into
    orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    https://youtu.be/-KfjkSfatL4
    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?

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  • From =?iso-8859-1?Q?fred__k._engels=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 27 06:05:58 2021
    ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Chicoms
    have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into
    orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://youtu.be/66Rgt-kDMw8

    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?

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  • From Mike Collins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 27 07:10:41 2021
    On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 14:06:05 UTC, fred k. engels® wrote:
    ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!
    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Chicoms have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://youtu.be/66Rgt-kDMw8
    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for ya?
    Do you get some kind of high from your perverted obsession? Is it worth the hatred and personal derision generated against you by all these ridiculous posts?
    Have you seen a psychiatrist? You should.

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  • From kelleher.gerald@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mike Collins on Sat Nov 27 08:39:58 2021
    On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:10:42 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
    On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 14:06:05 UTC, fred k. engels® wrote:
    ALL MEMBERS - PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!
    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Prime Minister Justin Blackface tweeted his condolences that those Chicoms have just launched ANOTHER massive spy satellite into orbit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://youtu.be/66Rgt-kDMw8
    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?
    Do you get some kind of high from your perverted obsession? Is it worth the hatred and personal derision generated against you by all these ridiculous posts?
    Have you seen a psychiatrist? You should.

    If this newsgroup had been more active and observers taken the opportunity to express themselves in a less formal environment, you would not notice these offenders.

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  • From =?iso-8859-1?Q?fred__k._engels=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 27 11:38:29 2021
    Ok folks, this thread has gone political, as well as disrespectful, so goodnight!

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