I saw today in the NYT that Owen Gingerich passed away as he was
involved in the horrible effort to redefine a planet without actually appreciating, along with other theorists, that a planet is defined by
its wandering or direct/retrograde motion in comparison to the Sun's
annual motion within the framework of Ptolemy.
On 2023-06-12 18:43:49 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
I saw today in the NYT that Owen Gingerich passed away as he was
involved in the horrible effort to redefine a planet without actually appreciating, along with other theorists, that a planet is defined by
its wandering or direct/retrograde motion in comparison to the Sun's annual motion within the framework of Ptolemy.
Did I understand correctly that all of Mercurius, Venus, Earth, Mars,
Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea, Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are planets?
On 2023-06-12 18:43:49 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
I saw today in the NYT that Owen Gingerich passed away as he wasDid I understand correctly that all of Mercurius, Venus, Earth, Mars,
involved in the horrible effort to redefine a planet without actually appreciating, along with other theorists, that a planet is defined by
its wandering or direct/retrograde motion in comparison to the Sun's annual motion within the framework of Ptolemy.
Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea, Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are planets?
Mikko
On 2023-06-12 18:43:49 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
I saw today in the NYT that Owen Gingerich passed away as he was
involved in the horrible effort to redefine a planet without actually
appreciating, along with other theorists, that a planet is defined by
its wandering or direct/retrograde motion in comparison to the Sun's
annual motion within the framework of Ptolemy.
Did I understand correctly that all of Mercurius, Venus, Earth, Mars,
Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea, >Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are planets?
Mikko
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:16:15 +0300, Mikko <mikko....@iki.fi>
wrote:
On 2023-06-12 18:43:49 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
I saw today in the NYT that Owen Gingerich passed away as he was
involved in the horrible effort to redefine a planet without actually
appreciating, along with other theorists, that a planet is defined by
its wandering or direct/retrograde motion in comparison to the Sun's
annual motion within the framework of Ptolemy.
Did I understand correctly that all of Mercurius, Venus, Earth, Mars, >Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea, >Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are planets?
MikkoAt its most basic level, a "planet" is just a body that formed around
a star. The IAU definition serves only to define a conventional usage
in academic presentations. That's all.
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 8:16:19 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
On 2023-06-12 18:43:49 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
I saw today in the NYT that Owen Gingerich passed away as he was
involved in the horrible effort to redefine a planet without actually
appreciating, along with other theorists, that a planet is defined by
its wandering or direct/retrograde motion in comparison to the Sun's
annual motion within the framework of Ptolemy.
Did I understand correctly that all of Mercurius, Venus, Earth, Mars,
Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea,
Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune are planets?
No, you didn't understand correctly.
Over a decade ago, in this newsgroup, I introduced the partitioning of direct/retrograde motions dependent on whether those planets move
faster or slower than a moving Earth-
On 2023-06-13 09:36:55 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
Over a decade ago, in this newsgroup, I introduced the partitioning of direct/retrograde motions dependent on whether those planets moveOf the ones mentioned above Mercurius and Venus move faster than Earth;
faster or slower than a moving Earth-
Mars, Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea, Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune move slower.
Mikko
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:56:35 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
Of the ones mentioned above Mercurius and Venus move faster than Earth;
Mars, Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea, >> Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune move slower.>> Mikko
Planets are objects seen from a moving Earth so their direct/retrograde motions will present themselves for observations and conclusions.
On 2023-06-14 10:27:42 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:56:35 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
Of the ones mentioned above Mercurius and Venus move faster than Earth; >> Mars, Ceres, Pallas, Junu, Vesta, Astrea, Hebe, Iris, Flora, Metis, Hygiea,
Parthenope, Victoria, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune move slower.>> Mikko
Planets are objects seen from a moving Earth so their direct/retrograde motions will present themselves for observations and conclusions.So you don't know whether Mars or Ceres is a planet or not.
In that case you hardly are an astronomer or otherwise
qualified to discuss the "definition of a planet".
Mikko
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:10:52 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
So you don't know whether Mars or Ceres is a planet or not.
In that case you hardly are an astronomer or otherwise> qualified to
discuss the "definition of a planet".
The direct/retrograde motions which defined the term 'planet' since
antiquity take priority over the recent silly indulgence of trying
to define a planet by size.
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