" In Galileo's time, to depict the world as lacking an absolute physical reference point was, so to speak, inconceivable. And since the cosmos, as it was then known, was contained within the solar system alone, this reference point could only be situated
in the Earth or in the Sun Today, after Einstein and within the perspective of contemporary cosmology, neither of these two reference points has the importance they once had. This observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity
of Galileo's position in the debate; it is only meant to show that often, beyond two partial and contrasting perceptions, there exists a wider perception which includes them and goes beyond both of them." John Paul II

There was no reason to apologise insofar as the division between Pope and Galileo was far more nuanced and involved the limits of the Ptolemaic framework through which the original heliostatic astronomers arrived at their conclusions.

". . . the ancient hypotheses clearly fail to account for certain important matters. For example, they do not comprehend the causes of the numbers, extents and durations of the retrogradations and of their agreeing so well with the position and mean
motion of the sun. Copernicus alone gives an explanation to those things that provoke astonishment among other astronomers, thus destroying the source of astonishment, which lies in the ignorance of the causes." Kepler, 1596, Mysterium Cosmographicum

The recent resolution for the direct/retrograde motions of Venus and Mercury using the central Sun as a stationary reference no longer requires an appeal to the Ptolemaic framework and its secondary use to conclude that the planets move and the Sun is
central to all those motions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2uCtot1aDg

On the death of the Pope today, the complex relationships remain as unattended as they did at the time of Galileo, even though a satellite tracking with the Earth resolves these important matters.

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On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:50:10 AM UTC-7, kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:

There was no reason to apologise insofar as the division between Pope
and Galileo was far more nuanced and involved the limits of the Ptolemaic framework through which the original heliostatic astronomers arrived at
their conclusions.

I cannot agree with that statement.

It is very simple: in arresting Galileo, in placing him on trial, and in presuming
to have the authority to subject him to punishments for the type of actions of which he was accused, the Roman Catholic Church was acting contrary to
the Eternal Law of God.

It exerted governmental authority without the consent of the governed obtained through fair and free democratic elections; it sought to restrict the freedom of
speech and of the press; it sought to make of itself an established church.

All of these things are horrible crimes.

John Savard

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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:7c46828b-be75-4501-b262-c9324f937aa3n@googlegroups.com:

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:50:10 AM UTC-7,
kellehe...@gmail.com wrote:

There was no reason to apologise insofar as the division
between Pope and Galileo was far more nuanced and involved the
limits of the Ptolemaic framework through which the original
heliostatic astronomers arrived at their conclusions.

I cannot agree with that statement.

It is very simple: in arresting Galileo, in placing him on
trial, and in presuming to have the authority to subject him to
punishments for the type of actions of which he was accused, the
Roman Catholic Church was acting contrary to the Eternal Law of
God.

It exerted governmental authority without the consent of the
governed obtained through fair and free democratic elections; it
sought to restrict the freedom of speech and of the press; it
sought to make of itself an established church.

None of those things existed in any meaningful way at that point in
continental Europe. The Church *was* the government in every
meaningful way, and Galileo challenged their authority, after being
give no more than a slap on the wrist the first time. (Not to
mention, the science he was supposedly prosecuted for was actually
that of Copernicus, who declined to publish it during his lifetime
because he knew it couldn't be proven, and because it provided less
accurate predictions of planetary movement than the ptolemaic
tables at the time - which was still true in Galileo's day, despite
Galileo's work).

You know all this, and yet you continue to spew out other people's
lies. I guess you realize you're too fucking *stupid* to even think
up your own lies.

All of these things are horrible crimes.

Less so than your instane revisionist fascist lefty history.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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Within a number of days, the faster-moving Mercury will pass between the slower-moving Earth and the central Sun-

https://www.theplanetstoday.com/

Setting the Sun up as a central or absolute reference, at least for the purpose of solar system structure and relative planetary motions, is straightforward. The stars move from left to right and parallel to the orbital plane as a consequence of the
orbital motion of the Earth thereby obviating the need for those tables that the first Sun-centred astronomers were chained to-

https://sol24.net/data/html/SOHO/C3/96H/VIDEO/

Because the arc of Mercury's motion is much smaller than Venus and shows its dark hemisphere more to us, Mercury is barely visible in its nearest approach to the slower-moving Earth and eventually disappears behind the Sun's glare.

Galileo and those original astronomers would have understood and delighted in what satellites can do.





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