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  • Rules for the exploitation of outer space?

    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 20 01:27:17 2022
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Aug 20 11:35:24 2022
    On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

    That will be better than no one is allowed to use any space resources
    without paying money to the UN to give to Third World countries as
    their rightful share of what they are unfortunately unable to join in exploiting. The reason why we're not harvesting magnesium nodules.

    John Savard

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Sat Aug 20 14:37:25 2022
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

    That will be better than no one is allowed to use any space resources
    without paying money to the UN to give to Third World countries as
    their rightful share of what they are unfortunately unable to join in >exploiting. The reason why we're not harvesting magnesium nodules.

    As the exploitation of space creates external costs that are borne by
    all nations, some kind of compensation is reasonable.

    Happily we are not much mining (manganese) nodules. I wish it would
    stay that way, but unfortunately it appears that such mining is going
    to increase soon.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sun Aug 21 08:43:51 2022
    On 20/08/2022 19:35, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

    That will be better than no one is allowed to use any space resources
    without paying money to the UN to give to Third World countries as
    their rightful share of what they are unfortunately unable to join in exploiting. The reason why we're not harvesting magnesium nodules.

    They are manganese nodules and exploiting them will do a hell of a lot
    of damage to the deep sea bed (once thought to be lifeless but now known
    to support a complex eco system that we don't yet fully understand).

    I don't doubt that they will be commercially exploited before too much
    longer and only when serious damage becomes apparent will anything be
    done about curtailing such excesses. It is pretty much like dredging.

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Sun Aug 21 16:53:00 2022
    On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 1:43:56 AM UTC-6, Martin Brown wrote:

    They are manganese nodules and exploiting them will do a hell of a lot
    of damage to the deep sea bed (once thought to be lifeless but now known
    to support a complex eco system that we don't yet fully understand).

    I don't doubt that they will be commercially exploited before too much
    longer and only when serious damage becomes apparent will anything be
    done about curtailing such excesses. It is pretty much like dredging.

    Well, if the only economically feasible way to harvest manganese nodules
    is to scrape the sea floor, it is reasonable to be against it, as that is wastefully
    damaging to the life there. (I had forgotten their true name, it being so long since
    I heard mentiion of them.)

    But I would be in favor of removing obstacles to the responsible recovery of minerals from the sea.

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Sun Aug 21 16:27:32 2022
    On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 03:43:56 UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 20/08/2022 19:35, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

    That will be better than no one is allowed to use any space resources without paying money to the UN to give to Third World countries as
    their rightful share of what they are unfortunately unable to join in exploiting. The reason why we're not harvesting magnesium nodules.
    They are manganese nodules and exploiting them will do a hell of a lot
    of damage to the deep sea bed (once thought to be lifeless but now known
    to support a complex eco system that we don't yet fully understand).

    Some philosophers are right. If we'd been this timid and terrified of every consequence, there
    would have been no industrial revolution. Want to stagnate? Join any native tribe.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sun Aug 21 16:26:16 2022
    On Saturday, 20 August 2022 at 16:37:29 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

    That will be better than no one is allowed to use any space resources >without paying money to the UN to give to Third World countries as
    their rightful share of what they are unfortunately unable to join in >exploiting. The reason why we're not harvesting magnesium nodules.
    As the exploitation of space creates external costs that are borne by
    all nations, some kind of compensation is reasonable.

    Happily we are not much mining (manganese) nodules. I wish it would
    stay that way, but unfortunately it appears that such mining is going
    to increase soon.

    Funny how population explosions (which the Left, highly cognizant of in the 1960's, suddenly thinks does not matter) and demand will do that...

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Sun Aug 21 23:04:36 2022
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:53:00 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 1:43:56 AM UTC-6, Martin Brown wrote:

    They are manganese nodules and exploiting them will do a hell of a lot
    of damage to the deep sea bed (once thought to be lifeless but now known
    to support a complex eco system that we don't yet fully understand).

    I don't doubt that they will be commercially exploited before too much
    longer and only when serious damage becomes apparent will anything be
    done about curtailing such excesses. It is pretty much like dredging.

    Well, if the only economically feasible way to harvest manganese nodules
    is to scrape the sea floor, it is reasonable to be against it, as that is wastefully
    damaging to the life there. (I had forgotten their true name, it being so long since
    I heard mentiion of them.)

    But I would be in favor of removing obstacles to the responsible recovery of >minerals from the sea.

    We don't appear to have any sort of mechanisms to ensure responsible
    extraction of minerals anywhere, let alone the sea.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 23:03:04 2022
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:26:16 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, 20 August 2022 at 16:37:29 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-08-outer-space-wild-west-peace.html

    I think it will be the Wild West.

    That will be better than no one is allowed to use any space resources
    without paying money to the UN to give to Third World countries as
    their rightful share of what they are unfortunately unable to join in
    exploiting. The reason why we're not harvesting magnesium nodules.
    As the exploitation of space creates external costs that are borne by
    all nations, some kind of compensation is reasonable.

    Happily we are not much mining (manganese) nodules. I wish it would
    stay that way, but unfortunately it appears that such mining is going
    to increase soon.

    Funny how population explosions (which the Left, highly cognizant of in the 1960's, suddenly thinks does not matter) and demand will do that...

    Which mysterious "Left" would that be (there is no left in the U.S.,
    at least)? And who exactly, besides papists and evangelicals and other
    nutters, think that population isn't an issue?

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