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    From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 16 20:04:36 2022
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_2198698323637239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXtjJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal?
    The oxygen adds weight?
    I'm not a chemist!

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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to StarDust on Tue Aug 16 20:35:20 2022
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_2198698323637239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXtjJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=
    6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal?
    The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2) oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)... a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=@21:1/5 to palsing on Wed Aug 17 05:40:26 2022
    palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_21986983236 37239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc =UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXt jJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal? The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2) oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)...
    a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...

    Carbon, atomic weight 12
    Oxygen, atomic weight 16

    You got the atomic numbers, but the proportions are the same.

    --
    I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines
    to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour

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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 16 21:10:50 2022
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:40:29 PM UTC-7, Anders Eklöf wrote:
    palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_21986983236 37239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc =UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXt jJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal? The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2) oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)...
    a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...
    Carbon, atomic weight 12
    Oxygen, atomic weight 16

    You got the atomic numbers, but the proportions are the same.

    --
    I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines
    to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour

    Yeah, atomic number...

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 16 21:33:50 2022
    On Tuesday, 16 August 2022 at 23:40:29 UTC-4, Anders Eklöf wrote:
    palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_21986983236 37239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc =UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXt jJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal? The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2) oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)...
    a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...
    Carbon, atomic weight 12
    Oxygen, atomic weight 16

    You got the atomic numbers, but the proportions are the same.

    --
    I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines
    to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour

    Funny we don't see clouds made of carbon, given it's lighter than oxygen.

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  • From palsing@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Aug 16 21:40:10 2022
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:33:51 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Tuesday, 16 August 2022 at 23:40:29 UTC-4, Anders Eklöf wrote:
    palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_21986983236
    37239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc
    =UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXt
    jJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal?
    The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2)
    oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)... a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...
    Carbon, atomic weight 12
    Oxygen, atomic weight 16

    You got the atomic numbers, but the proportions are the same.

    Funny we don't see clouds made of carbon, given it's lighter than oxygen.

    Oh, but we do...

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982172/

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed Aug 17 13:23:34 2022
    On 2022-08-17 04:33:50 +0000, RichA said:

    Funny we don't see clouds made of carbon, given it's lighter than oxygen.

    We don't see clouds made of oxygen, either.

    Carbon is not stable in air. It is oxydized to carbon monoxide.

    Mikko

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed Aug 17 08:08:25 2022
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Funny we don't see clouds made of carbon, given it's lighter than oxygen.

    That would make sense if carbon was a gas at room temperature.

    Last time I looked, it's a solid.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to StarDust on Wed Aug 17 08:18:06 2022
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:04:37 PM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:

    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal?
    The oxygen adds weight?
    I'm not a chemist!

    Well, oxygen, being a material substance, certainly _has_ weight.

    The most common isotope of Carbon is Carbon-12, and the most common
    isotope of Oxygen is Oxygen-16. So if you have 12 ounces of carbon,
    and burn it to produce carbon dioxide, you will get 12+16+16 ounces
    of carbon dioxide, or 44 ounces of carbon dioxide (because neutrons
    and protons both weigh about the same amount). 44 is more than 42
    (six times seven) and 12 is six times two, so 2 tons of coal make a
    tad more than 7 tons of carbon dioxide.

    So they worked out the arithmetic right.

    Incidentally, the carbon dioxide produced will take up the
    same volume as the oxygen consumed, since the oxygen is
    in the forms of molecules with two atoms of oxygen in each
    one.

    While solid substances can have densities with no relation
    to their molecular weight, since the distance between atoms
    can vary - what kind of crystal structure, or is it a glass - there's
    a famous rule in chemistry that for a given pressure and
    temperature, every gas has just about the same number of
    molecules per unit of volume, so the density of a gas is
    proportional to the weight of the molecules it's made out of.

    So the oxygen adds weight to the carbon, but the carbon
    does not add bulk to the oxygen.

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to palsing on Wed Aug 17 22:05:45 2022
    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 00:40:12 UTC-4, palsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:33:51 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Tuesday, 16 August 2022 at 23:40:29 UTC-4, Anders Eklöf wrote:
    palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_21986983236
    37239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc
    =UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXt
    jJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal?
    The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2)
    oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)...
    a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...
    Carbon, atomic weight 12
    Oxygen, atomic weight 16

    You got the atomic numbers, but the proportions are the same.
    Funny we don't see clouds made of carbon, given it's lighter than oxygen.
    Oh, but we do...

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982172/

    Oh, in space, sure! We see clouds of alcohol!

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Aug 19 20:02:14 2022
    On 18/08/2022 06:05, RichA wrote:
    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 00:40:12 UTC-4, palsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 9:33:51 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Tuesday, 16 August 2022 at 23:40:29 UTC-4, Anders Eklöf wrote:
    palsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 8:04:37 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299785667_21986983236 >>>>>> 37239_3094346465906486414_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc >>>>>> =UZ_iD_IwRyAAX-HSYog&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8tWV7HjDTig-gikXt >>>>>> jJNDn8JfwCeuLp7LPMNB7H69V6g&oe=6300BBAD

    Hmm!
    How, 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from 2 billion tons of coal? >>>>>> The oxygen adds weight?


    I'm not a chemist!

    Obviously. When the carbon of coal (atomic weight 6) combines with the (2)
    oxygen atoms (atomic weight (8) each, the "new" atomic weight is (22)... >>>>> a "lot" more than the carbon alone... which is "about 7"...
    Carbon, atomic weight 12
    Oxygen, atomic weight 16

    You got the atomic numbers, but the proportions are the same.
    Funny we don't see clouds made of carbon, given it's lighter than oxygen. >> Oh, but we do...

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982172/

    Oh, in space, sure! We see clouds of alcohol!

    Actually we saw carbon the form of Buckminster fullerenes aka an
    allotrope of carbon in interstellar dust long before it was identified
    on Earth. It was a mystery why its spectrum didn't match any known
    compound. The crucial compound wasn't known at the time.

    (but was lurking in trace amounts in soot - benzene extraction would
    have found it - but no-one actually did that so it remained hidden)

    The nearest fit to it was chimney soot though! And now we know why...

    It is still a area of interest since the conditions in interstellar
    space and stellar nurseries are more than a bit odd.

    https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/decoding-interstellar-carbon/7295.article

    A bit like Helium in the sun which was then shown by spectroscopy to be identical to neutralised alpha particles here on Earth.

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    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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