• 8 inch APO f5.0 $53,000

    From RichA@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Sep 21 14:56:44 2021
    On Tuesday, 21 September 2021 at 17:23:45 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    My "guess" is that the apo is a Petzval, otherwise they've created something that I do not believe has existed to this point. I once got quoted $80,000 for an 8 inch f4.0 apo by the Russians, that was 20 years ago.

    https://petapixel.com/2021/09/21/vaonis-launches-the-1050mm-61mp-hyperia-telescope-camera/

    Questions though; is the camera cooled and how did they get the Hubble colour pallet, the thing would have to have filters in it.

    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 21 14:23:43 2021
    My "guess" is that the apo is a Petzval, otherwise they've created something that I do not believe has existed to this point. I once got quoted $80,000 for an 8 inch f4.0 apo by the Russians, that was 20 years ago.

    https://petapixel.com/2021/09/21/vaonis-launches-the-1050mm-61mp-hyperia-telescope-camera/

    Questions though; is the camera cooled and how did they get the Hubble colour pallet, the thing would have to have filters in it.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Tue Sep 21 17:49:31 2021
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.
    Ah. A six-inch f/7 apochromat is technically feasible, while an f/5 apochromat
    indeed seems unusual. But an 8" one... hey, at least it wouldn't be overpriced!

    Although they now say it's f/7, they say it has a 1050 mm lens. That would
    make it a forty-inch telescope. Hmm. Perhaps 1050 mm is the focal length,
    not the aperture. 1050 divided by 7... 150 mm aperture, so, yes, it's a six-inch telescope.

    And its body is made from the alloy Zicral, which I looked up. It's an aluminum alloy in which zinc features prominently, with magnesium and copper also present. This type of alloy was first developed in Japan, and it was used on the
    Zero fighter planes during World War II.

    John Savard

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Sep 21 17:28:21 2021
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 2:56:46 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Tuesday, 21 September 2021 at 17:23:45 UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    My "guess" is that the apo is a Petzval, otherwise they've created something that I do not believe has existed to this point. I once got quoted $80,000 for an 8 inch f4.0 apo by the Russians, that was 20 years ago.

    https://petapixel.com/2021/09/21/vaonis-launches-the-1050mm-61mp-hyperia-telescope-camera/

    Questions though; is the camera cooled and how did they get the Hubble colour pallet, the thing would have to have filters in it.
    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.

    $8833 /inch?
    Even NASA would choke on this price!
    🤣

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Sep 21 17:42:00 2021
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.

    Ah. A six-inch f/7 apochromat is technically feasible, while an f/5 apochromat indeed seems unusual. But an 8" one... hey, at least it wouldn't be overpriced!

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Tue Sep 21 17:57:09 2021
    On Tuesday, 21 September 2021 at 20:49:32 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:42:02 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.
    Ah. A six-inch f/7 apochromat is technically feasible, while an f/5 apochromat
    indeed seems unusual. But an 8" one... hey, at least it wouldn't be overpriced!
    Although they now say it's f/7, they say it has a 1050 mm lens. That would make it a forty-inch telescope. Hmm. Perhaps 1050 mm is the focal length,
    not the aperture. 1050 divided by 7... 150 mm aperture, so, yes, it's a six-inch telescope.

    And its body is made from the alloy Zicral, which I looked up. It's an aluminum
    alloy in which zinc features prominently, with magnesium and copper also present. This type of alloy was first developed in Japan, and it was used on the
    Zero fighter planes during World War II.

    John Savard

    Sounds fancier than aluminum, but perhaps it is for the well-heeled sea-side dweller to mount it outside his house and avoid corrosion?

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Tue Sep 21 21:24:02 2021
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:57:11 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Sounds fancier than aluminum, but perhaps it is for the well-heeled sea-side dweller to mount it outside his house and avoid corrosion?

    That alloy is also said to be highly resistant to corrosion, as well as being stronger than
    ordinary aluminum. I presume the strength lets it be built with less metal, so that it
    can be lighter to carry.

    John Savard

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 22 05:29:22 2021
    example of a photo taken with the Hyperion system

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/09/pm-trudeau-090.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

    Clearly designed to appeal to the most discerning astronomical photographers

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Wed Sep 22 10:42:49 2021
    On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 00:24:03 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 6:57:11 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Sounds fancier than aluminum, but perhaps it is for the well-heeled sea-side dweller to mount it outside his house and avoid corrosion?
    That alloy is also said to be highly resistant to corrosion, as well as being stronger than
    ordinary aluminum. I presume the strength lets it be built with less metal, so that it
    can be lighter to carry.

    John Savard

    I don't know many people who'll be carrying that scope, it's pretty heavy in any case and it's one piece, no way to make it easier to carry.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed Sep 22 15:23:42 2021
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.

    I've been looking around to see what is available for
    (somewhat) budget-conscious astronomers. I found this:

    https://www.telescope.com/Orion/Orion-ED80T-CF-Triplet-Apochromatic-Refractor-Telescope/rc/2160/p/101422.uts

    You can get a triplet apochromat with 80mm aperture for just $1,000.

    As for a Petzval, I did find some of those on sale as well - one was under $400, but it
    was on back order where I saw it.

    Of course, refracting telescopes are not the best buy for aperture per dollar.

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Wed Sep 22 19:52:09 2021
    On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 18:23:44 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.
    I've been looking around to see what is available for
    (somewhat) budget-conscious astronomers. I found this:

    https://www.telescope.com/Orion/Orion-ED80T-CF-Triplet-Apochromatic-Refractor-Telescope/rc/2160/p/101422.uts

    You can get a triplet apochromat with 80mm aperture for just $1,000.

    As for a Petzval, I did find some of those on sale as well - one was under $400, but it
    was on back order where I saw it.

    Of course, refracting telescopes are not the best buy for aperture per dollar.

    John Savard

    You can duplicate (more or less) the scope for $15,000 or so, with good quality components. However, you will never match a larger reflector for imaging at that price-point.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to RichA on Thu Sep 23 06:48:44 2021
    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 10:52:11 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 18:23:44 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.
    I've been looking around to see what is available for
    (somewhat) budget-conscious astronomers. I found this:

    https://www.telescope.com/Orion/Orion-ED80T-CF-Triplet-Apochromatic-Refractor-Telescope/rc/2160/p/101422.uts

    You can get a triplet apochromat with 80mm aperture for just $1,000.

    As for a Petzval, I did find some of those on sale as well - one was under $400, but it
    was on back order where I saw it.

    Of course, refracting telescopes are not the best buy for aperture per dollar.

    John Savard
    You can duplicate (more or less) the scope for $15,000 or so, with good quality components. However, you will never match a larger >reflector for imaging at that price-point.

    The important point is that by building a functionally equivalent set up you have the option for easy upgrades or mixing-matching components. The imager can be used with different scopes, the scope placed on different mounts, the mount used for
    different scopes, etc.

    It the imager fails in the advertised scope, you probably have a very expensive door stop or coat rack.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 23 19:58:57 2021
    On Thursday, 23 September 2021 at 09:48:46 UTC-4, W wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 10:52:11 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    On Wednesday, 22 September 2021 at 18:23:44 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    Update: Idiots at camera site got it wrong, it's f7 and a six inch scope, not f5.
    I've been looking around to see what is available for
    (somewhat) budget-conscious astronomers. I found this:

    https://www.telescope.com/Orion/Orion-ED80T-CF-Triplet-Apochromatic-Refractor-Telescope/rc/2160/p/101422.uts

    You can get a triplet apochromat with 80mm aperture for just $1,000.

    As for a Petzval, I did find some of those on sale as well - one was under $400, but it
    was on back order where I saw it.

    Of course, refracting telescopes are not the best buy for aperture per dollar.

    John Savard
    You can duplicate (more or less) the scope for $15,000 or so, with good quality components. However, you will never match a larger >reflector for imaging at that price-point.
    The important point is that by building a functionally equivalent set up you have the option for easy upgrades or mixing-matching components. The imager can be used with different scopes, the scope placed on different mounts, the mount used for
    different scopes, etc.

    It the imager fails in the advertised scope, you probably have a very expensive door stop or coat rack.

    I'm sure you could send the hulk back to the company for a nice, pricey repair/replacement, assuming they are still in business. They are paired with Nikon, but Nikon is not in the best shape these
    days either, with much of the camera industry seeing a huge piece of its business evaporate.

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