One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:12:00 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
I think your hopes are in vain. Thanks to SpaceX, the United States has >little need of the Russians - not only can America get astronauts to the ISS, >but the Russian modules can be, if necessary, disconnected and replaced.
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 3:12:00 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
ISS is coming back to earth, so it doesn't matter!
Russians may attach their module to the Chines space station, once it finishes?
Time will tell?
On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 00:04:55 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:12:00 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:Yes. we can get there ourselves. And it's questionable if the Russians
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
I think your hopes are in vain. Thanks to SpaceX, the United States has
little need of the Russians - not only can America get astronauts to the ISS,
but the Russian modules can be, if necessary, disconnected and replaced.
really intend to quit (obviously, the current state of affairs results
in a great deal of posturing). And the thing is scheduled to be
de-orbited in 8 or 9 years in any case, so it's not long for the
world.
The Russian character has not been stripped of its Soviet underpinnings, the U.S. would do well to wash their hands of the lot of them.
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:12:00 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
I think your hopes are in vain. Thanks to SpaceX, the United States has >little need of the Russians - not only can America get astronauts to the ISS,really intend to quit (obviously, the current state of affairs results
but the Russian modules can be, if necessary, disconnected and replaced. Yes. we can get there ourselves. And it's questionable if the Russians
in a great deal of posturing). And the thing is scheduled to be
de-orbited in 8 or 9 years in any case, so it's not long for the
world.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 16:18:27 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 3:12:00 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
ISS is coming back to earth, so it doesn't matter!The ISS is in a 52° inclination orbit, and Tiangong is in a 42° inclination orbit. Moving material between the two would be very
Russians may attach their module to the Chines space station, once it finishes?
Time will tell?
difficult. A very large mass requiring a very large delta-V.
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 18:37:25 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, 27 July 2022 at 00:04:55 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 4:12:00 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:really intend to quit (obviously, the current state of affairs results
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
I think your hopes are in vain. Thanks to SpaceX, the United States has >> >little need of the Russians - not only can America get astronauts to the ISS,
but the Russian modules can be, if necessary, disconnected and replaced. >> Yes. we can get there ourselves. And it's questionable if the Russians
in a great deal of posturing). And the thing is scheduled to be
de-orbited in 8 or 9 years in any case, so it's not long for the
world.
The Russian character has not been stripped of its Soviet underpinnings, the U.S. would do well to wash their hands of the lot of them.Diplomacy is easier and cheaper than the alternative. As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 5:55:17 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 16:18:27 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 3:12:00 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:The ISS is in a 52° inclination orbit, and Tiangong is in a 42°
One can only hope.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62308069
ISS is coming back to earth, so it doesn't matter!
Russians may attach their module to the Chines space station, once it finishes?
Time will tell?
inclination orbit. Moving material between the two would be very
difficult. A very large mass requiring a very large delta-V.
They'll figure it out to save money!
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.Enabled by the previous.
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:51:38 AM UTC-4, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT), W
<wsne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris LEnabled by the previous.
Peterson wrote: As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty
much a direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the
previous administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place
under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.
The flaw in your argument is that the same two characters,
Blinken and Sleepy, were hanging around when Putin took over the
Crimea in 2014. Obama was around too.
Explain how that is the fault of the previous administration.
Also be more careful with your editing.
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 06:51:49 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:51:38 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >As we're nowEnabled by the previous.
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.
The flaw in your argument is that the same two characters, Blinken and Sleepy, were hanging around when Putin took over the Crimea in 2014. Obama was around too.
Explain how that is the fault of the previous administration.
Also be more careful with your editing.The flaw in your thinking is that you can't think.
Trump was Putin's puppet, and let him get away with anything. Trump dismantled our foreign policy. So Putin figures he can do anything he wants... and does just that.
One more way that Trump damaged our country and the world. Perhaps
fatally.
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:51:38 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:Enabled by the previous.
As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.
The flaw in your argument is that the same two characters, Blinken and Sleepy, were hanging around when Putin took over the Crimea in 2014. Obama was around too.
Explain how that is the fault of the previous administration.
Also be more careful with your editing.
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:21:49 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 06:51:49 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:51:38 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:The flaw in your thinking is that you can't think.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> >As we're nowEnabled by the previous.
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.
The flaw in your argument is that the same two characters, Blinken and Sleepy, were hanging around when Putin took over the Crimea in 2014. Obama was around too.
Explain how that is the fault of the previous administration.
Also be more careful with your editing.
Trump was Putin's puppet, and let him get away with anything. Trump
dismantled our foreign policy. So Putin figures he can do anything he
wants... and does just that.
One more way that Trump damaged our country and the world. Perhaps
fatally.
The flaw in your thinking is that you have no brain to think with.
Let's go over the simple math:
The Dems, including Blinken and Sleepy, were in office in 2014.
Trump was not President until 2017.
In case you have not figured it out, 2014 is a smaller number than 2017.
Diplomacy is easier and cheaper than the alternative. As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
Diplomacy is easier and cheaper than the alternative. As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a
direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
What's going on in Ukraine is the result of the evil ambitions of
Vladimir Putin.
And the failure on the part of the U.S. was a failure, after Crimea,
to offer Ukraine U.S. troops all along its borders with Russia, Belarus, >Crimea and other potential sources of a Russian invasion. Had
this been done, nothing would ever have happened, just as during the
Cold War, with American troops (and other NATO troops) lined up
along the border of West Germany with East Germany, Russia never
rolled its tanks into West Germany.
Just because the U.S. can't dictate which countries NATO will offer
Article 5 protection to doesn't mean it couldn't of its own accord have
given bilaterally similar protection to Ukraine directly.
And this is not hindsight on my part. I was advocating this before
the current invasion.
John Savard
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-6, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
Diplomacy is easier and cheaper than the alternative. As we're
now finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is
pretty much a direct result of the failure of diplomacy under
the previous administration.
What's going on in Ukraine is the result of the evil ambitions
of Vladimir Putin.
Just because the U.S. can't dictate which countries NATO will offer
Article 5 protection to doesn't mean it couldn't of its own accord have
given bilaterally similar protection to Ukraine directly.
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:21:49 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 06:51:49 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:51:38 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: >> >> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:18:16 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>The flaw in your thinking is that you can't think.
wrote:
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:46:46 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:Enabled by the previous.
As we're now
finding out, given that what's going on in Ukraine is pretty much a >> >> >> direct result of the failure of diplomacy under the previous
administration.
The flaw in your argument is that the invasion took place under THIS administration, NOT the previous one.
The flaw in your argument is that the same two characters, Blinken and Sleepy, were hanging around when Putin took over the Crimea in 2014. Obama was around too.
Explain how that is the fault of the previous administration.
Also be more careful with your editing.
Trump was Putin's puppet, and let him get away with anything. Trump
dismantled our foreign policy. So Putin figures he can do anything he
wants... and does just that.
One more way that Trump damaged our country and the world. Perhaps
fatally.
The flaw in your thinking is that you have no brain to think with.
Let's go over the simple math:
The Dems, including Blinken and Sleepy, were in office in 2014.
Trump was not President until 2017.
In case you have not figured it out, 2014 is a smaller number than 2017.No idea what you're talking about.
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
Just because the U.S. can't dictate which countries NATO will offer
Article 5 protection to doesn't mean it couldn't of its own accord have
given bilaterally similar protection to Ukraine directly.
The Democrats had a total of seventeen years since the breakup of the USSR to put something like that into place, before the most recent invasion. And they didn't take any action.
Democrats can 't even protect embassies.
The Democrats had a total of seventeen years since the breakup
of the USSR to put something like that into place,
The U.S. failure is fundamentally diplomatic. Had Clinton or Sanders
or any other competent person been elected in 2016, it is all but
certain that Putin would not have chosen to invade Ukraine.
Four years of Putin calling the shots in the U.S. administration along
with no effort to maintain diplomatic relations (and lots of ass
licking by Trump) effectively told Putin that his actions would be
free of consequences.
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:06:18 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
The U.S. failure is fundamentally diplomatic. Had Clinton or Sanders
or any other competent person been elected in 2016, it is all but
certain that Putin would not have chosen to invade Ukraine.
Four years of Putin calling the shots in the U.S. administration along
with no effort to maintain diplomatic relations (and lots of ass
licking by Trump) effectively told Putin that his actions would be
free of consequences.
I certainly agree that the Trump administration was a disaster for
the United States, particularly in terms of its handling of the COVID-19 >pandemic.
And they had four years to do what the Democratic governments
failed to do either, and they didn't either, so in terms of the Ukraine,
they were no better. The specious Hunter Biden "investigation", of
course, shows Trump was no friend of Ukraine.
However, in this respect, W has some valid points - I don't see a
way to pin the invasion on Trump specifically at all. Although I
tend to think Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump not because
he respected Trump, but because under Trump... he didn't _need_
to, Ukraine was isolated and helpless anyways. Biden, on the
other hand, is someone Putin needs to embarass.
Current trends indicate that what is going to happen in 2024,
unless something is done that nobody shows signs of doing, is:
- A Republican President will be elected;
- Through unchecked voter suppression and gerrymandering, it will be
ensured that the United States becomes a one-party Republican state
for the foreseeable future.
- Hence, the world will have three nuclear superpowers, Russia, China, and >the United States of America, _none_ of which will be democracies any
longer.
The world is doomed, and we have about two years left to do something
about it. A few people seem to be alert to the seriousness of the situation, >but not nearly enough.
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