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    From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 02:15:40 2022
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Fri Jun 10 06:27:02 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 10:34:06 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.

    Long as people let assholes running the world, we're heading that way! Capitalism consumes too much of the world resources!
    😭😭😭😭

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 10 17:15:41 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.

    1/4 of world's population live in the developed world, but consumes 3/4 of the world resources.
    Think about?

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  • From kelleher.gerald@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 11 02:31:37 2022
    People are part of creation/nature so the question represents a lack of generosity among the older generation who bought into a subculture that there are laws of nature. Men write laws for nature, but that merely highlights pretence by trying to pass
    these shallow convictions off with quasi-legal language of evidence, proof, jury of peers and so on.

    The subculture does leave nature behind and has done so for a number of centuries.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Jun 11 04:30:34 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:15:42 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    1/4 of world's population live in the developed world, but consumes 3/4 of the world resources.
    Think about?

    YOU "think about."

    The developed world does not have much of an appetite for ivory, rhino horn, shark fins, sea-horses, etc.

    The developed world does not do much clear-cutting of the remaining untouched forests in order to start plantations for products of questionable value.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Jun 11 04:32:13 2022
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 1:34:08 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    Long as people let assholes running the world, we're heading that way! Capitalism consumes too much of the world resources!
    😭😭😭😭

    Most of the REALLY bad ecological disasters have occurred in socialist/communist countries as a result of their ignorant and short-sighted policies.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 11 09:09:04 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 4:32:14 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 1:34:08 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    Long as people let assholes running the world, we're heading that way! Capitalism consumes too much of the world resources!
    😭😭😭😭
    Most of the REALLY bad ecological disasters have occurred in socialist/communist countries as a result of their ignorant and short-sighted policies.

    BS! I grew up in a socialist country, what you hear and know is western propaganda, like the Ukrainian war.
    LOL!
    Socialist economies are built as an efficient system to use less and distribute wealth evenly.
    But the west is still stuck with the old British system, with an abusive banking system
    Thousands of homeless living on the streets, alcohol and drugs killing them.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 11 09:01:42 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 4:30:36 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:15:42 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    1/4 of world's population live in the developed world, but consumes 3/4 of the world resources.
    Think about?
    YOU "think about."

    The developed world does not have much of an appetite for ivory, rhino horn, shark fins, sea-horses, etc.

    The developed world does not do much clear-cutting of the remaining untouched forests in order to start plantations for products of questionable value.

    You're kidding, right?
    So, why did all the elephants, rhinos etc... all most disappeared from Africa and many animal species are distinct or on the edge of disappearing not only in Africa but world wide?
    Look it Russia, 2/3 of the country covered with forest from the Urals to the Specific, it's still there.
    They don't abuse it?
    Lake Baikal is the largest freshwater lake by volume , containing 20% of the world's fresh water.
    They don't pollute it, matter of fact Saud-Arabia wants to buy fresh water from them.
    US had buffalos killed off, the eastern side of the country use to be covered with one solid forest from Canada to Florida , all cut out, used for farm lands.
    Red wood forest destroyed here in the west coast, 1000 years old trees and it's still going on today.
    Amazon forest being destroyed, called the lung of the planet. land used for farming, plant soy for the world.
    I can go on, what greedy capitalist doing to the world.
    We are in global warming, because the cars ,machinery, power plants burning oil, creating green house effect.
    Think about it.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Jun 11 17:51:34 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 12:09:05 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 4:32:14 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 1:34:08 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    Long as people let assholes running the world, we're heading that way! Capitalism consumes too much of the world resources!
    😭😭😭😭
    Most of the REALLY bad ecological disasters have occurred in socialist/communist countries as a result of their ignorant and short-sighted policies.
    BS! I grew up in a socialist country, what you hear and know is western propaganda, like the Ukrainian war.
    LOL!
    Socialist economies are built as an efficient system to use less and distribute wealth evenly.
    But the west is still stuck with the old British system, with an abusive banking system
    Thousands of homeless living on the streets, alcohol and drugs killing them.

    I see that you are using a capitalist computer, invented by capitalists.

    Stop immediately and get thee to North Korea!

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  • From W@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sat Jun 11 17:50:13 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 12:01:44 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 4:30:36 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:15:42 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    1/4 of world's population live in the developed world, but consumes 3/4 of the world resources.
    Think about?
    YOU "think about."

    The developed world does not have much of an appetite for ivory, rhino horn, shark fins, sea-horses, etc.

    The developed world does not do much clear-cutting of the remaining untouched forests in order to start plantations for products of questionable value.
    You're kidding, right?
    So, why did all the elephants, rhinos etc... all most disappeared from Africa and many animal species are distinct or on the edge of disappearing not only in Africa but world wide?
    Look it Russia, 2/3 of the country covered with forest from the Urals to the Specific, it's still there.
    They don't abuse it?
    Lake Baikal is the largest freshwater lake by volume , containing 20% of the world's fresh water.
    They don't pollute it, matter of fact Saud-Arabia wants to buy fresh water from them.
    US had buffalos killed off, the eastern side of the country use to be covered with one solid forest from Canada to Florida , all cut out, used for farm lands.
    Red wood forest destroyed here in the west coast, 1000 years old trees and it's still going on today.
    Amazon forest being destroyed, called the lung of the planet. land used for farming, plant soy for the world.
    I can go on, what greedy capitalist doing to the world.
    We are in global warming, because the cars ,machinery, power plants burning oil, creating green house effect.
    Think about it.

    YOU think about it.

    The FSU was a mess.. Chernobyl dead zone, Aral Sea...

    The only reason that Siberia still exists is that there not enough Russians to destroy it. Give them time.

    The loss of rare or endangered species is a very threatening problem.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sun Jun 12 01:06:54 2022
    On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 05:15:42 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    What part of 7 billion people not being compatible with a natural world is hard for them to understand?
    It's predicted that by 2035, 95% of all people will live in megacities. That could be good for nature.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Sun Jun 12 16:07:11 2022
    On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 1:06:55 AM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Friday, 10 June 2022 at 05:15:42 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature
    What part of 7 billion people not being compatible with a natural world is hard for them to understand?
    It's predicted that by 2035, 95% of all people will live in megacities. That could be good for nature.

    Still have to feed those 8 billion hoomans with some thing?
    London's economical footprint is 120 miles, means it sucks up resources within that circle.
    8 billion people survives today , because hoomans learned how to mass produce nature in factory farming.
    That's why energy plays an important role, (even wars) because this mass production can collapse very quick without the energy to drive machinery.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 12 16:16:27 2022
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 12:01:44 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 4:30:36 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 8:15:42 PM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, W wrote:
    On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:15:42 AM UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220608-should-we-detach-ourselves-from-nature

    If this is going to happen, let it happen on Mars and not the Earth.
    1/4 of world's population live in the developed world, but consumes 3/4 of the world resources.
    Think about?
    YOU "think about."

    The developed world does not have much of an appetite for ivory, rhino horn, shark fins, sea-horses, etc.

    The developed world does not do much clear-cutting of the remaining untouched forests in order to start plantations for products of questionable value.
    You're kidding, right?
    So, why did all the elephants, rhinos etc... all most disappeared from Africa and many animal species are distinct or on the edge of disappearing not only in Africa but world wide?
    Look it Russia, 2/3 of the country covered with forest from the Urals to the Specific, it's still there.
    They don't abuse it?
    Lake Baikal is the largest freshwater lake by volume , containing 20% of the world's fresh water.
    They don't pollute it, matter of fact Saud-Arabia wants to buy fresh water from them.
    US had buffalos killed off, the eastern side of the country use to be covered with one solid forest from Canada to Florida , all cut out, used for farm lands.
    Red wood forest destroyed here in the west coast, 1000 years old trees and it's still going on today.
    Amazon forest being destroyed, called the lung of the planet. land used for farming, plant soy for the world.
    I can go on, what greedy capitalist doing to the world.
    We are in global warming, because the cars ,machinery, power plants burning oil, creating green house effect.
    Think about it.
    YOU think about it.

    The FSU was a mess.. Chernobyl dead zone, Aral Sea...

    How about the 3 mile Island incident?
    Aral sea is coming back now slowly.
    Water was used up for a massive agricultural project, turned into disaster. But....
    Will Lake Mead ever fill again?
    Both Lake Powell and Lake Mead reservoirs are half empty, and scientists predict that they will probably never fill again. The water supply of more than 22 million people in the three Lower Basin states is in jeopardy.<<



    The only reason that Siberia still exists is that there not enough Russians to destroy it. Give them time.
    Russian gov. has tight control on it's people not to destroy it.

    The loss of rare or endangered species is a very threatening problem.

    Loosing any species is a threatening problem, more hoomans the more nature is lost.

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