• Solar panels and dust bowls don't mix

    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 22:56:08 2022
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed May 18 00:26:30 2022
    On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:56:10 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html

    Last time I heard about the insight, it's drill was stuck.
    Did they fix it?

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 07:07:43 2022
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html

    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 18 09:39:44 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 10:51:07 2022
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsnell01@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

    It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
    effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
    sitting on another planet!

    You're as silly as Rich.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 18 10:09:16 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:51:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

    It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
    effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels sitting on another planet!

    You're as silly as Rich.

    The article he cited noted that, in the Middle East, about 50% of output is lost from
    unattended solar panels - so that _is_ quite different than dust and sand being no problem because it just blows off a tilted solar panel.

    Thus, his comment was not entirely without validity - it may have gone too far, but
    then so did you.

    John Savard

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 18 13:39:16 2022
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 09:07:48 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

    You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
    THEY have to be cleaned.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 18 13:40:13 2022
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 12:51:11 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.
    It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
    effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels sitting on another planet!

    You're as silly as Rich.

    Good luck cleaning ACRES of solar panel in MILES LONG installations every single week. Hope there are no labour shortages...

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 18 16:05:25 2022
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 09:07:48 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

    You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
    THEY have to be cleaned.

    Who said they don't? You're silly.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Wed May 18 16:05:02 2022
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:51:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

    It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
    effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels
    sitting on another planet!

    You're as silly as Rich.

    The article he cited noted that, in the Middle East, about 50% of output is lost from
    unattended solar panels - so that _is_ quite different than dust and sand being
    no problem because it just blows off a tilted solar panel.

    Thus, his comment was not entirely without validity - it may have gone too far, but
    then so did you.

    Nope. It's a readily solvable problem, with many possible solutions.
    Not too far at all. It's just whacko Rich passive-aggressively
    fetishizing over nuclear powered spacecraft.

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Wed May 18 15:12:49 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:51:11 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.
    It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most
    effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels sitting on another planet!

    You're as silly as Rich.

    If you read RichA's comment, you will see that my linked article is on topic.

    Perhaps if your reading comprehension were better, you would appear less silly.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed May 18 15:22:46 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 1:39:18 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 09:07:48 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Something to think about before investing in some solar installation in Saudi Arabia or Africa.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-05-nasa-insight-lander-lonely-fate.html
    Why? They are not hard to clean, dust blows off of panels in the
    denser air of Earth (and because on Earth panels are tipped).

    You're silly.
    You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
    THEY have to be cleaned.

    Static!

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  • From W@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Wed May 18 15:15:59 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 1:09:18 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:51:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 09:39:44 -0700 (PDT), W <wsne...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nrel.gov/news/features/2021/scientists-studying-solar-try-solving-a-dusty-problem.html

    You might wish to delete your earlier statement to the OP, lest you look silly.

    It's a very solveable "problem". What they're studying is the most effective ways of mitigating an issue. Very different from flat panels sitting on another planet!

    You're as silly as Rich.
    The article he cited noted that, in the Middle East, about 50% of output is lost from
    unattended solar panels - so that _is_ quite different than dust and sand being
    no problem because it just blows off a tilted solar panel.

    Thus, his comment was not entirely without validity - it may have gone too far, but
    then so did you.

    My comment and link was completely valid. It's peterson who has trouble staying on-topic.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Thu May 19 02:54:50 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:05:29 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 18 May 2022 13:39:16 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    You are clueless. FAN blades which spin at thousands of RPMs and are vertical in orientation collect dust. They can collect so much they become unbalanced.
    THEY have to be cleaned.

    Who said they don't? You're silly.

    I guess his point is that fan blades move. So if they get clogged up with dust, just having solar panels tilted isn't going to keep them clean. Dust seems to accumulate no matter what you do, if you don't go out there and directly scrub it away.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Thu May 19 02:59:51 2022
    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:05:06 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Nope. It's a readily solvable problem, with many possible solutions.
    Not too far at all. It's just whacko Rich passive-aggressively
    fetishizing over nuclear powered spacecraft.

    I don't disagree with that part of it; but that doesn't mean that the article about Sa'udi Arabia didn't show that some effort is required for a solution.

    I'm well aware that Rich takes every opportunity to criticize the failings
    or limitations of solar panels, because he seems to think that nuclear
    power should be used nearly all the time. And, this time, a mission was
    cut short because dust did block the solar panels sooner than expected,
    despite an ingenious use of the sample collection arm to dislodge some
    of it.

    Myself, while I am inclined to agree that there is perhaps an excessive prejudice against nuclear power, I would still expect it only to be used
    when necessary, to keep the safety issue low.

    John Savard

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Thu May 19 07:00:02 2022
    On Thu, 19 May 2022 02:59:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:05:06 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Nope. It's a readily solvable problem, with many possible solutions.
    Not too far at all. It's just whacko Rich passive-aggressively
    fetishizing over nuclear powered spacecraft.

    I don't disagree with that part of it; but that doesn't mean that the article >about Sa'udi Arabia didn't show that some effort is required for a solution.

    I'm well aware that Rich takes every opportunity to criticize the failings
    or limitations of solar panels, because he seems to think that nuclear
    power should be used nearly all the time. And, this time, a mission was
    cut short because dust did block the solar panels sooner than expected, >despite an ingenious use of the sample collection arm to dislodge some
    of it.

    Myself, while I am inclined to agree that there is perhaps an excessive >prejudice against nuclear power, I would still expect it only to be used
    when necessary, to keep the safety issue low.

    I wasn't disagreeing with the article or the existence of a minor
    engieneering problem here on Earth! I was laughing at one of the
    regular SAA laughingstocks.

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