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    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 20 22:28:27 2022
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of Europe.
    Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Mar 21 03:07:57 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of Europe.
    Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Problem is, too many people (8 billion), too many mouths to feed!

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Mon Mar 21 03:40:57 2022
    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 06:07:59 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html
    Problem is, too many people (8 billion), too many mouths to feed!

    That's a given. But the West is wallowing in debt. They keep thinking up these ridiculous unproductive and expensive megaprojects as if the tax rolls were a bottomless pit. Wait till 50% of GDP is consumed by interest payments.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 21 08:26:53 2022
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of Europe.
    Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally
    damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change
    climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Mar 21 14:03:29 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:40:59 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    Wait till 50% of GDP is consumed by interest payments.

    When *that* happens, the voters will just bring in a politician
    who says screw the banks.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Mar 21 14:02:01 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 11:28:28 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough
    solar farms to all of Europe. Why not use them first?

    Other than the fact that even deserts face night, there _is_ one reason why getting solar power from space is preferable.

    The rectenna farms can be placed fairly close to where the power is used.

    In the case of a solar power farm in, say, the Sahara, one is talking about *very
    long wires*. There's a problem with people stealing copper, although I suppose you could use aluminum instead. Salt water is pretty conductive, and there's lots
    of that handy in the Mediterranean - also, *iron* is cheap, although it's not as
    conductive as other metals, couldn't that be fixed by using thicker wires (and HVDC instead of AC)?

    John Savard

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Mon Mar 21 14:21:28 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:26:56 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

    The future is hydrogen power, using the sun to split water!

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Tue Mar 22 03:02:59 2022
    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 17:03:30 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:40:59 AM UTC-6, RichA wrote:
    Wait till 50% of GDP is consumed by interest payments.
    When *that* happens, the voters will just bring in a politician
    who says screw the banks.

    John Savard

    Yeah, nice idea, not in practice.
    Countries used to go broke fighting wars and working on projects they couldn't afford.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Mar 22 03:02:14 2022
    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 10:26:56 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

    The desert is dry. If it gets wet (the only change possible) is that a bad thing?

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Tue Mar 22 03:06:23 2022
    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 17:21:30 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:26:56 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote: >https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on Earth are unsuitable.
    The future is hydrogen power, using the sun to split water!

    The hydrogen economy is a pipe-dream. Just like controllable fusion.
    Which is why getting rid of nuclear and natgas will be eventual economic suicide for European countries entertaining those ideas.
    there is only so much protectionism you can have to protect your overpriced industries that become more overpriced the more
    "alternative energy" you adopt.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 07:18:58 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:02:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 10:26:56 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html
    Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally
    damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change
    climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

    The desert is dry. If it gets wet (the only change possible) is that a bad thing?

    The Sahara modulates and influences the weather of the entire
    Mediterranean region. Most deserts have significant influence over
    areas much wider than just those deserts.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 07:17:41 2022
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:21:28 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 7:26:56 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html
    Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally
    damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change
    climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

    The future is hydrogen power, using the sun to split water!

    As our primary energy source, that's unlikely. As a source for a
    variety of niche applications, very likely.

    Photovoltaic is just too simple and too inexpensive for much of
    anything to compete with it.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Tue Mar 22 18:48:21 2022
    On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 09:19:03 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:02:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 10:26:56 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html
    Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally
    damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change
    climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

    The desert is dry. If it gets wet (the only change possible) is that a bad thing?
    The Sahara modulates and influences the weather of the entire
    Mediterranean region. Most deserts have significant influence over
    areas much wider than just those deserts.

    So what? Why are people so terrified of change? It might be on balance a good thing. Even if you humour the envirokooks and believe their nonsense about 5 deg. changes over 100 years (or whatever the figure this week) more of the inhospitable north
    will become livable. Greenland for example is a gigantic land mass. If it weren't covered in 2 miles of ice, it might even be usable.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 21:59:31 2022
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:48:21 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 22 March 2022 at 09:19:03 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:02:14 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 10:26:56 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html

    Just because they can't figure a way to use the useless, sunlit areas of the world (otherwise known as deserts) to hold their crappy solar farms. These areas are almost completely depopulated and could easily support enough solar farms to all of
    Europe. Why not use them first?

    https://phys.org/news/2022-03-solar-power-station-space-benefits.html
    Covering large areas of desert with solar panels is environmentally
    damaging. In north Africa, in particular, doing so is likely to change
    climate patterns.

    Distributed installations make much more sense, and very few places on
    Earth are unsuitable.

    The desert is dry. If it gets wet (the only change possible) is that a bad thing?
    The Sahara modulates and influences the weather of the entire
    Mediterranean region. Most deserts have significant influence over
    areas much wider than just those deserts.

    So what? Why are people so terrified of change? It might be on balance a good thing. Even if you humour the envirokooks and believe their nonsense about 5 deg. changes over 100 years (or whatever the figure this week) more of the inhospitable north
    will become livable. Greenland for example is a gigantic land mass. If it weren't covered in 2 miles of ice, it might even be usable.

    The pattern isn't a good one. Most are not. When climate changes too
    fast, it is damaging. We're already in a major extinction event. A few
    more decades of the current trend will be the end of our nations and
    economies as we know them. Hundreds of millions of deaths, starvation,
    wars.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 23 05:47:36 2022
    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Prime Minister Justin Blackface just tweeted
    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?
    The Russcom just launched a massive new spy satellite into orbit!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoAHdwGBvU

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