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  • Re: Russia claims first use of hypersonic Kinzhal missile in Ukraine

    From StarDust@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sun Mar 20 00:18:30 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:55:46 PM UTC-7, StarDust wrote:
    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?
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    Fastest missile, BrahMos!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos
    Maximum speed Mach 4

    A hypersonic version of the missile, BrahMos-II, is also presently under development with a speed of Mach 7–8 to boost aerial fast strike capability. It was expected to be ready for testing by 2024

    Guinness World Records recognized NASA's X-43A scramjet with a new world speed record for a jet-powered aircraft - Mach 9.6, or nearly 7,000 mph.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 20 10:12:30 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:55:44 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?

    6000 mph is a mere 1.66 km/s, which doesn't even quite meet the
    definition of hypersonic at sea level. Voyager I is moving away from
    the Sun at 17 km/s (and slowing).

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 20 08:36:50 2022
    WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!
    Elon Musk TIME's 2021 Person of the Year and a God to the horseshit® pretty picture astro photographers but also a
    BELOVED friend of astronomy has just launched
    another massive 53 new satellites!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoAHdwGBvU

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sun Mar 20 19:04:30 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:55:44 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?
    6000 mph is a mere 1.66 km/s, which doesn't even quite meet the
    definition of hypersonic at sea level. Voyager I is moving away from
    the Sun at 17 km/s (and slowing).

    Why?
    What counts to be hypersonic?

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 20 19:11:30 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:36:56 AM UTC-7, fred k. engels® wrote:
    WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!
    Elon Musk TIME's 2021 Person of the Year and a God to the horseshit® pretty picture astro photographers but also a
    BELOVED friend of astronomy has just launched
    another massive 53 new satellites!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoAHdwGBvU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM6t5EFD9SU

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Sun Mar 20 22:30:08 2022
    On Sunday, 20 March 2022 at 01:55:46 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?

    Alls fair. Americans used hyperbaric weapons in Afghanistan.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Mar 21 03:04:17 2022
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:30:10 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Sunday, 20 March 2022 at 01:55:46 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?
    Alls fair. Americans used hyperbaric weapons in Afghanistan.

    But no one complained about it?

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 21 08:24:45 2022
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:04:30 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 9:12:34 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:55:44 -0700 (PDT),
    wrote:
    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?
    6000 mph is a mere 1.66 km/s, which doesn't even quite meet the
    definition of hypersonic at sea level. Voyager I is moving away from
    the Sun at 17 km/s (and slowing).

    Why?
    What counts to be hypersonic?

    In this context, it is defined as Mach 5 or higher. So 1.7 km/s at sea
    level.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to StarDust on Thu Mar 24 02:56:13 2022
    On Monday, 21 March 2022 at 06:04:18 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 10:30:10 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    On Sunday, 20 March 2022 at 01:55:46 UTC-4, StarDust wrote:
    Russia's military has fired a hypersonic ballistic missile and destroyed a big underground arms depot in western Ukraine, the defence ministry in Moscow has said.

    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    The statistics are impressive: according to Russian officials the Kinzhal can hit a target up to 2,000km (1,240 miles) away and can fly faster than 6,000 km/h.

    6000km/h is still slower than the speed of Voyager I or II?
    Am I right?
    Alls fair. Americans used hyperbaric weapons in Afghanistan.
    But no one complained about it?

    Truth was, Americans knew the Russian troops massed on the border of Ukraine would invade weeks before it happened. They should have dropped a couple nukes on them. Supposedly good, democratic nations need to think more about long-term consequences of
    imperialistic intentions of Russia and China and not just about "how history might judge them."

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  • From Scott Kozel@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Thu Mar 24 20:51:30 2022
    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:24:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:04:30 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <cso...@gmail.com>

    What counts to be hypersonic?

    In this context, it is defined as Mach 5 or higher. So 1.7 km/s at sea
    level.

    Mach 5 is about 4,000 mph

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to kozelsm@yahoo.com on Fri Mar 25 06:05:16 2022
    On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 20:51:30 -0700 (PDT), Scott Kozel
    <kozelsm@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:24:48 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:04:30 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <cso...@gmail.com>

    What counts to be hypersonic?

    In this context, it is defined as Mach 5 or higher. So 1.7 km/s at sea
    level.

    Mach 5 is about 4,000 mph

    Mach 5 at sea level is 5 x 343 m/s, or 1.7 km/s. You can convert that
    into whatever units you like.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to StarDust on Fri Mar 25 12:29:29 2022
    On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 11:55:46 PM UTC-6, StarDust wrote:
    If confirmed it would be Russia's first use in this war of the Kinzhal, or Dagger, ballistic missile launched from the air, most likely by a MiG-31 warplane.

    Kinzhal. Sounds like Klinzhai.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Fri Mar 25 12:31:27 2022
    On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 6:05:20 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Mach 5 at sea level is 5 x 343 m/s, or 1.7 km/s. You can convert that
    into whatever units you like.

    The missile could have been a hypersonic missile - one capable of hypersonic speed - but because it was launched at a short-range target in the Ukraine, instead of at the United States, it didn't happen to get up to full speed this time.

    John Savard

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