https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
On 2/25/22 23:43, StarDust wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!Eventually, you may live to witness that, but they are not going to be
what everyone thinks.
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-8, Ace Crysler wrote:
On 2/25/22 23:43, StarDust wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/Eventually, you may live to witness that, but they are not going to be
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
what everyone thinks.
No?
How would they be look like?
On 3/3/22 12:04, StarDust wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-8, Ace Crysler wrote:
On 2/25/22 23:43, StarDust wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/Eventually, you may live to witness that, but they are not going to be
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
what everyone thinks.
No?
How would they be look like?
You and others are going to laugh at this I'm sure, but the answer is: demons. They're going to show up one day and fool humanity into thinking they are ET's.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
On 3/3/22 12:04, StarDust wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-8, Ace Crysler wrote:
On 2/25/22 23:43, StarDust wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/Eventually, you may live to witness that, but they are not going to be
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
what everyone thinks.
No?You and others are going to laugh at this I'm sure, but the answer is: demons. They're going to show up one day and fool humanity into
How would they be look like?
thinking they are ET's.
On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 13:26:29 UTC-5, Ace Crysler wrote:
On 3/3/22 12:04, StarDust wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-8, Ace Crysler wrote:You and others are going to laugh at this I'm sure, but the answer is:
On 2/25/22 23:43, StarDust wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/Eventually, you may live to witness that, but they are not going to be >>>> what everyone thinks.
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
No?
How would they be look like?
demons. They're going to show up one day and fool humanity into
thinking they are ET's.
"The creatures we think of as aliens are actually, trans-dimensional beings." Phone call called into the Art Bell (nutjob) radio show purportedly by
a guy "on the run" from Area 51. Turned out to be a hoax.
On 3/4/22 23:26, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 13:26:29 UTC-5, Ace Crysler wrote:
On 3/3/22 12:04, StarDust wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-8, Ace Crysler wrote:You and others are going to laugh at this I'm sure, but the answer is:
On 2/25/22 23:43, StarDust wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/02/webb-telescope-reaches-major-milestone-all-its-light-is-in-one-place/Eventually, you may live to witness that, but they are not going to be >>>>> what everyone thinks.
Yes, but we want to see Aliens!
No?
How would they be look like?
demons. They're going to show up one day and fool humanity into
thinking they are ET's.
"The creatures we think of as aliens are actually, trans-dimensional
beings."
Phone call called into the Art Bell (nutjob) radio show purportedly by
a guy "on the run" from Area 51. Turned out to be a hoax.
Being a Christian, I actually do think there are aliens out there, some
a lot like us, others not, but we're never going to make contact with
them because of the physical laws we have. I think our Creator set it
up that way on purpose. I do think that any "aliens" eventually
appearing here will not be aliens at all but, like I said, demonic in
nature.
This space telescope that they are setting up might actually be able to detect such life, and if not that instrument some others, but as far as actual communication and interaction, highly doubtful.
It will certainly be a while before we have anything (even a probe)
capable of interstellar travel but we could easily be a few billion
years behind the technology of first generation star populations.
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 14:02:05 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
It will certainly be a while before we have anything (even a probe) >capable of interstellar travel but we could easily be a few billionIt is interesting to consider what that might mean. I think that we
years behind the technology of first generation star populations.
are quite close to understanding all of the physical laws that define
the Universe. The Universe is simple, and I expect that all
technological species come to a full understanding of its laws very
early in their existence. After that, it's all about technology: what
you can do with complete knowledge of physics. I wonder how fast that advances. Whether it follows the sort of exponential growth we see
with understanding nature, or is more linear, determined by
intelligence and creativity. Maybe all civilizations have essentially
the same technology after just a few thousand years.
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 14:02:05 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
It will certainly be a while before we have anything (even a probe)
capable of interstellar travel but we could easily be a few billion
years behind the technology of first generation star populations.
It is interesting to consider what that might mean. I think that we
are quite close to understanding all of the physical laws that define
the Universe.
On 03/03/2022 12.26, Ace Crysler wrote:
You and others are going to laugh at this I'm sure, but the answer is: demons. They're going to show up one day and fool humanity into thinking they are ET's.Sounds like _Childhood's End_
You and others are going to laugh at this I'm sure, but the answer is: demons. They're going to show up one day and fool humanity into
thinking they are ET's.
"The creatures we think of as aliens are actually, trans-dimensional beings." Phone call called into the Art Bell (nutjob) radio show purportedly by
a guy "on the run" from Area 51. Turned out to be a hoax.
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 14:02:05 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
It will certainly be a while before we have anything (even a probe) capable of interstellar travel but we could easily be a few billion
years behind the technology of first generation star populations.
It is interesting to consider what that might mean. I think that we
are quite close to understanding all of the physical laws that define
the Universe. The Universe is simple, and I expect that all
technological species come to a full understanding of its laws very
early in their existence.
After that, it's all about technology: what
you can do with complete knowledge of physics. I wonder how fast that advances. Whether it follows the sort of exponential growth we see
with understanding nature, or is more linear, determined by
intelligence and creativity. Maybe all civilizations have essentially
the same technology after just a few thousand years.
But many Christians have a more moderate and mainstream
faith which doesn't involve expecting the end of the world to
come soon, or considering demons as a real factor in world
affairs.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 14:02:05 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
It will certainly be a while before we have anything (even a probe)
capable of interstellar travel but we could easily be a few billion
years behind the technology of first generation star populations.
It is interesting to consider what that might mean. I think that we
are quite close to understanding all of the physical laws that define
the Universe. The Universe is simple, and I expect that all
technological species come to a full understanding of its laws very
early in their existence.
Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we >suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -- J.B.S. Haldane
After that, it's all about technology: what
you can do with complete knowledge of physics. I wonder how fast that
advances. Whether it follows the sort of exponential growth we see
with understanding nature, or is more linear, determined by
intelligence and creativity. Maybe all civilizations have essentially
the same technology after just a few thousand years.
Even a thousand years is a long, long time at our level of science and >technology. Think what has happened in the last century: relativity,
quantum mechanics, QFT, thermionic emission, superconductivity, >semiconductors, space travel. And there are still unsolved problems
in physics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics
Many problems, like sending probes to the nearer stars, are merely >technological, but other problems, like marrying GR with QFT are of
equal or more difficulty.
Even from the beginning, inflation looked like a kluge to me I rapidly
formed the opinion that these guys were just making it up as they went
along -- Neil Turok
It's possible that we're near the point of "complete" understanding, but
this belief has been refuted before:
"The more important fundamental laws and facts of physical science have
all been discovered, and these are now so firmly established that the >possibility of their ever being supplanted in consequence of new discoveries >is exceedingly remote." -- A. A. Michelson
Although Michelson did state that "our future discoveries must be looked for >in the sixth place of decimals" is almost correct, but those minute >disagreements become VERY important over megaparsec distances. And
those niggles show our standard model may very likely be quite wrong.
Sometimes I worry that Haldane had it right :-)
We have no examples of complicated natural laws. Everything is
astonishingly simple. The complexity we observe is a consequence of
the infinite number of ways that those laws interact. The rules are
simple. The systems those simple rules can produce are hugely diverse,
and can be hugely complex. That's what technology exploits. And it's
why modern science has entered a new era. Now that most of the
underlying physics is understood, most science is about systems, which
are studied using computer models and simulations.
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 14:02:05 +0000, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
It will certainly be a while before we have anything (even a probe)
capable of interstellar travel but we could easily be a few billion
years behind the technology of first generation star populations.
It is interesting to consider what that might mean. I think that we
are quite close to understanding all of the physical laws that define
the Universe. The Universe is simple, and I expect that all
technological species come to a full understanding of its laws very
early in their existence. After that, it's all about technology: what
you can do with complete knowledge of physics. I wonder how fast that advances. Whether it follows the sort of exponential growth we see
with understanding nature, or is more linear, determined by
intelligence and creativity. Maybe all civilizations have essentially
the same technology after just a few thousand years.
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:24:15 -0800 (PST), Gary Harnagel
<hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Even a thousand years is a long, long time at our level of science and technology. Think what has happened in the last century: relativity, quantum mechanics, QFT, thermionic emission, superconductivity, semiconductors, space travel. And there are still unsolved problems
in physics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics
Many problems, like sending probes to the nearer stars, are merely technological, but other problems, like marrying GR with QFT are of
equal or more difficulty.
“Even from the beginning, inflation looked like a kluge to me… I rapidly
formed the opinion that these guys were just making it up as they went along” -- Neil Turok
It's possible that we're near the point of "complete" understanding, but this belief has been refuted before:
"The more important fundamental laws and facts of physical science have all been discovered, and these are now so firmly established that the possibility of their ever being supplanted in consequence of new discoveries
is exceedingly remote." -- A. A. Michelson
Although Michelson did state that "our future discoveries must be looked for
in the sixth place of decimals" is almost correct, but those minute disagreements become VERY important over megaparsec distances. And
those niggles show our standard model may very likely be quite wrong.
Sometimes I worry that Haldane had it right :-)
I think in 100 year we will fully understand all natural law. We are
very close to that now.
We have no examples of complicated natural laws. Everything is
astonishingly simple. The complexity we observe is a consequence of
the infinite number of ways that those laws interact. The rules are
simple. The systems those simple rules can produce are hugely diverse,
and can be hugely complex. That's what technology exploits. And it's
why modern science has entered a new era. Now that most of the
underlying physics is understood, most science is about systems, which
are studied using computer models and simulations.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 6:20:00 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 12:24:15 -0800 (PST), Gary Harnagel
<hit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Even a thousand years is a long, long time at our level of science and technology. Think what has happened in the last century: relativity, quantum mechanics, QFT, thermionic emission, superconductivity, semiconductors, space travel. And there are still unsolved problems
in physics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics
Many problems, like sending probes to the nearer stars, are merely technological, but other problems, like marrying GR with QFT are of equal or more difficulty.
“Even from the beginning, inflation looked like a kluge to me… I rapidly
formed the opinion that these guys were just making it up as they went along” -- Neil Turok
It's possible that we're near the point of "complete" understanding, but this belief has been refuted before:
"The more important fundamental laws and facts of physical science have all been discovered, and these are now so firmly established that the possibility of their ever being supplanted in consequence of new discoveries
is exceedingly remote." -- A. A. Michelson
Although Michelson did state that "our future discoveries must be looked for
in the sixth place of decimals" is almost correct, but those minute disagreements become VERY important over megaparsec distances. And
those niggles show our standard model may very likely be quite wrong.
Sometimes I worry that Haldane had it right :-)
I think in 100 year we will fully understand all natural law. We are
very close to that now.
It seems to me that whenever we solve one unsolved problem, one or two
more pop up. Are we on a converging series?
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