Jgissw wrote:
I'm reading Ancestors by the Johansons and Edgar, in between trying to comprehend Stiner. It remarks that Bob Brain may have found that fire was in
use by 1 Mya, and that Ann Mclaren felt that Turkana boy probably couldn't speak because his spinal cavity was too small. Johanson is pretty fair about
presenting opposing views, but this is a popularization, and was written several years ago. Has anyone any comments on it?
I suppose you should define a little more precisely what you mean by "speak." If you're asking whether H.e. spoke a complex, grammatical language like modern humans the answer almost certainly must be "no."
If you're asking whether H.e. could communicate far better than, say, chimpanzees, my guess is that they probably could, but I have no idea
how we'd ever be able to find out. (I suppose we could just ask Paul
:-)
I can't see how an argument based on the anatomy of the spinal cavity
could be definitive about this.
Steve Barnard
On Sunday, January 11, 1998 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Steve Barnard wrote: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.anthropology.paleo/1RDXwTOWTdknight likewise.
Jgissw wrote:
I'm reading Ancestors by the Johansons and Edgar, in between trying to comprehend Stiner. It remarks that Bob Brain may have found that fire was in
use by 1 Mya, and that Ann Mclaren felt that Turkana boy probably couldn't
speak because his spinal cavity was too small. Johanson is pretty fair about
presenting opposing views, but this is a popularization, and was written several years ago. Has anyone any comments on it?
I suppose you should define a little more precisely what you mean by "speak." If you're asking whether H.e. spoke a complex, grammatical language like modern humans the answer almost certainly must be "no."
If you're asking whether H.e. could communicate far better than, say, chimpanzees, my guess is that they probably could, but I have no idea
how we'd ever be able to find out. (I suppose we could just ask Paul
:-)
I can't see how an argument based on the anatomy of the spinal cavity could be definitive about this.
Steve Barnard
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The last 13 Universal Magnetic Reversals (UMRs):
ages shown in million (MM) years before present
UMR - 0.000 - 0.000 - Krishna/Moses universal magnetic reversal*
UMR - 0.000 - 0.780 - Brunhes/Matuyama universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 0.990 - 1.070 - Jaramillo universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 1.770 - 1.950 - Olduvai universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 2.140 - 2.150 - Laouzi/Buddha universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 2.581 - 3.040 - Matuyama/Gauss universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 3.110 - 3.220 - Jesus/Muhammad universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 3.330 - 3.580 - Gauss/Gilbert universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 4.180 - 4.290 - Cochiti universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 4.480 - 4.620 - Nunivak universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 4.800 - 4.890 - Sidufjall universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 4.980 - 5.230 - Thvera universal magnetic reversal
UMR - 5.894 - 6.137 - Smith/Moroni universal magnetic reversal
*the Krishna/Moses UMR currently propagating
Homo erectus -> Homo sapien
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Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
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Al-Qiyama (The Resurrection) 75:8 And the moon becomes dark,
Al-Mursalat (The Sent Forth) 77:8 So when the stars are made to lose their light,
At-Takwir (The Folded Up) 81:2 And when the stars darken,
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2 Nephi 23:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Helaman 14:20 But behold, as I said unto you concerning another sign, a sign of his death, behold, in that day that he shall suffer death the sun shall be darkened and refuse to give his light unto you; and also the moon and the stars; and there shall
3 Nephi 8:22 And there was not any light seen, neither fire, nor glimmer, neither the sun, nor the moon, nor the stars, for so great were the mists of darkness which were upon the face of the land.
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