• Mystery of the missing krill

    From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 5 13:47:48 2021
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02951-3

    This is a very important topic generally.
    But it has much relevance to human
    evolution, especially over the last 2.5 Myr

    Hominins were responsible for the
    massive destruction of the terrestrial
    ecology, especially in Africa, when their
    activities brought about the ice-ages.
    One side-effect, resulting from the
    widespread desertification, were massive
    dust storms that greatly increased the
    amount of iron blown into the oceans.
    This must have lead to greatly increased
    density of plankton and teeming seas of
    fish. The seas would have kept
    atmospheric carbon dioxide to a
    minimum.

    For hominins, life on the continental
    uplands would have been close to
    impossible. Fishing in the fecund seas
    became much easier.

    The removal of most large whales from
    the oceans, especially in the 19th
    century, must have been a significant
    factor in the problems we now face with
    excess CO2.

    From: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/whales-eat-three-times-more-than-thought

    "Humpback (Megaptera novaeangliae) and other baleen
    whales excrete huge amounts of iron-rich feces that are vital
    to the flow of the ocean’s nutrient cycle.

    “This study shows that baleen whales play a much more
    important role in our ecosystem than we thought,” says
    Sian Henley, a marine scientist at the University of
    Edinburgh, who was not involved in the study. That’s
    because the 14 known baleen whale species are crucial to
    moving vital nutrients such as carbon, nitrogen, and iron
    through the ocean, primarily via their excrement.

    The new information, Henley says, also “tells us that we
    need to improve ocean protection and management at the
    largest scale possible, especially in the Southern Ocean.”
    The waters off Antarctica are particularly vulnerable to
    human impacts, largely because of warming temperatures
    from climate change and overfishing that disrupt the
    normal circulation of nutrients, which could also harm krill
    and other food sources of baleen whales. This would be
    especially damaging, as these whales are still recovering
    from centuries of whaling.

    As whales continue to rebound, their role in recycling
    nutrients should reset the nutrient cycle—and boost
    krill—once again, he says.

    To estimate how much baleen whales eat, scientists
    previously analyzed their metabolic needs based on their
    size and activity level using a closely related or similarly
    sized animal as reference. For instance, by measuring how
    much orcas (or killer whales) eat, biologists extrapolated
    what a humpback whale or a blue whale would consume.

    “When you get down to the behavior, ecology, and
    physiology of these animals,” Savoca says, “a blue whale
    and a humpback are very, very different from a killer
    whale.” He allows that the earlier attempt is “better than
    nothing, but it’s not actually a very good guess at all.”

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Fri Nov 5 23:26:35 2021
    Paul Crowley wrote:

    Hominins were responsible for the
    massive destruction of the terrestrial
    ecology, especially in Africa, when their
    activities brought about the ice-ages.

    Bull & shit.

    Plate tectonics ushered in the Quaternary Period. It was the
    creation of the Isthmus of Panama, changing the currents,
    changing the way the energy of the sun (falling along the
    equator) gets distributed across the earth.

    This is why Antarctica froze over. Even today it's far colder
    than can be accounted for simply by its location at the south
    pole. The issue is the formation of the circumpolar current,
    which was allowed to form only after it broke off from South
    America. Effectively it's a curtain, "Protecting" the continent
    from warmer waters arriving from the equator.

    Well. They wouldn't be all that warm by the time they reached
    it, but still warmer. And with all that energy reaching the south
    pole, it would be warmer.






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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to jtem01@gmail.com on Sat Nov 6 11:56:57 2021
    On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 23:26:35 -0700 (PDT), I Envy JTEM
    <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

    Paul Crowley wrote:

    Hominins were responsible for the
    massive destruction of the terrestrial
    ecology, especially in Africa, when their
    activities brought about the ice-ages.

    Bull & shit.

    Plate tectonics ushered in the Quaternary Period. It was the
    creation of the Isthmus of Panama, changing the currents,
    changing the way the energy of the sun (falling along the
    equator) gets distributed across the earth.

    This is why Antarctica froze over. Even today it's far colder
    than can be accounted for simply by its location at the south
    pole. The issue is the formation of the circumpolar current,
    which was allowed to form only after it broke off from South
    America. Effectively it's a curtain, "Protecting" the continent
    from warmer waters arriving from the equator.

    Well. They wouldn't be all that warm by the time they reached
    it, but still warmer. And with all that energy reaching the south
    pole, it would be warmer.

    All that in the context of increased CO2 removal from the atmosphere
    by continental silicate weathering during the Cenozoic, moving the
    Earth from Eocene hothouse to Plio-Pleistocene icehouse.

    https://klimaatverandering.files.wordpress.com/2021/06/rae_2021_fig_6.png

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/42/e2026456118

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Nov 7 13:13:25 2021
    Pandora wrote:

    All that in the context of increased CO2 removal from the atmosphere
    by continental silicate weathering during the Cenozoic, moving the
    Earth from Eocene hothouse to Plio-Pleistocene icehouse.

    CO2 is irrelevant.

    The last interglacial took place while Neanderthals dominated Europe
    and beyond, temperatures were warmer and sea level was five meters
    higher from all the additional melting/thermal expansion. That ended approximately 130 thousand years before people used fossil fuels.

    The sun is a huge factor in the planet's climate cycle. There's not just
    the issue of solar activity but cycles in the earth's orbit and changes
    to the axis.

    HINT: Summer as opposed to winter. Simply change the "Tilt" and you
    move from winter to summer.






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