• "swimming and diving" not required Re: Upcoming marathons in Belgium an

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Tue Feb 20 20:03:32 2024
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    In the aa world, all they could do is shuffle along
    and would have been wiped by predators very quickly.

    You need to point the Google thing at: Non sequitur

    "Wait. Running is an emergent trait? That means they
    were eaten by lions!"

    As opposed to being eaten by sharks because we
    are terible swimmers and can't breath water?

    Birds are bipedal and can run on the ground quickly, but
    the rest of the time they WALK.

    Ironically enough, nearly all of bird anatomy is explained
    by the fact that they descend from bipedal, terrestrial
    dinosaurs that grew feathers or feather like thingies.

    All aquatic mammals are short limbed quadrupeds.

    "Thingies" is a technical term.

    For people who only went to film school.

    I forget names here but, supposedly the link between
    dinosaurs and birds first arose during the course of a
    chicken dinner -- noting the similarities.

    So, yes, humans really are descended from the Aquatic
    Ape the same way that birds are descended from ground
    living dinosaurs.

    Except that all aquatic mammals are short limbed quadrupeds.

    Swimming and diving are Atypical.

    That's not true. Just visit a beach or pool on any clear
    summer day.

    You need a beach or pool? Walkers and runners merely
    have to go about their home or go outside. THAT is
    typical.

    It's also not true that swimming and diving were ever
    required. Aquatic Ape would have it's roots many millions
    of years ago -- 10 or 20 million years -- and the good
    doctor points to his evidence of diving in, what? Erectus?
    Neanderthals?

    I'm guessing they could have spent millions of years just
    picking up food and eating it -- shellfish, anything beached
    they could scavenge. Diving, real diving -- as opposed to
    going underwater -- probably arose during interglacials,
    as rising sea levels turned lands into islands and blocked
    what was otherwise a clear path along the water's edge.

    "swimming and diving" not required - there it is, folks!

    Then WHAT on Crom's bloody earth would make them aquatic?

    Go look up: hunters and gatherers.

    Okay I did. I didn't see you anywhere.

    And you didn't see any swimmers and divers either.

    There is no equivalent for swimming and diving.

    https://youtu.be/rJRrWdUo_DE?feature=shared

    It's not entirely unique, but it's certainly close to unique.
    So it's something /Almost/ unique to humans and
    that requires a DIFFERENT environment or set of
    evolutionary pressures on humans, or order for this
    behavior to exist in humans but not Chimps or Gorillas.

    Aquatic Ape.

    Unique?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLkzM_1fQ9I
    Cat fishing under water.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nV0CRw2ll4
    free diving leopard


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/7b/52/677b52ecde6d9a5a608dbb0d8995b513.jpg tiger diving


    https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-puppies-diving-underwater-2014-9
    puppies diving


    ALL aquatic mammals are short limbed quadrupeds. Not
    one otter or beaver or walrus is bipedal.

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