• Hominins left Africa during green Sahara phase

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 17 23:43:30 2023
    https://nat.au.dk/en/about-the-faculty/news/show/artikel/climate-played-a-crucial-role-in-human-migration-from-africa

    A green corridor through the Sahara emerged
    precisely during the period when our earliest
    ancestors migrated from Africa. This is shown
    by new research from Aarhus University.

    ...
    About 2.1 million years ago, the first humans -
    Homo erectus - migrated from Africa. The journey
    went through northeastern Africa and the Middle
    East – areas that are mainly covered by desert
    today – and onwards to Europe and Asia.

    For a long time, researchers have speculated on
    how Homo erectus could cross the dry and
    merciless desert, where there was neither food,
    water nor shade.

    New research from Aarhus University now suggests
    that Homo erectus may not have walked through
    the desert when they left Africa, explains Rachel
    Lupien, who is one of the researchers behind the
    new results.
    ...
    Our results show that the Sahara, precisely in
    the period when the first Homo erectus migrated,
    was greener than at any other time in the 4.5
    million year period we studied. They were
    therefore most likely able to walk through a
    green corridor out of Africa.
    ...


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-01034-7
    Low-frequency orbital variations controlled
    climatic and environmental cycles, amplitudes,
    and trends in northeast Africa during the
    Plio-Pleistocene

    Abstract
    The eastern Mediterranean sapropels, paced by
    insolation, provide a unique archive of
    African monsoon strength over the Late
    Neogene. However, the longer-term climate of
    this region lacks characterization within the
    context of changes in ice volume, sea surface
    temperature gradients, and terrestrial
    ecosystems. Here, we examine C28 n-alkanoic
    acid leaf wax hydrogen and carbon isotopes in
    sapropels, sourced from northeast Africa,
    along with vegetation-corrected precipitation
    isotopes, derived from astronomically dated
    sediment cores from ODP 160 Sites 966 and 967
    since 4.5 million years ago. Despite sampling
    only wet-phase sapropels for African monsoon
    variability, we find a larger range in
    hydrogen isotopes than previously published
    data across wet-dry precession cycles,
    indicating the importance of long-term
    modulation of Green Sahara phases throughout
    the Neogene. An influence of orbital
    properties on regional monsoonal
    hydroclimate is observed, controlling up to
    50% of total hydrogen isotope variance, but
    large changes outside of these typical
    frequencies account for at least 50% of the
    total variance. This secular trend may
    track changes in ice volume, tropical sea
    surface temperature, sea surface temperature
    gradients, or even lower-frequency orbital
    cycles. Long-term hydroclimate and
    environmental shifts provide new contexts
    for milestone events in northeast African
    hominin dispersal and evolution.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Fri Dec 22 22:51:52 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:

    They crossed at the horn of Africa. When they had to.

    Clearly our ancestors were already in Asia more than 3 million
    years ago, as demonstrated by the retrovirus data.

    Despite no fossils there and our closest genetic relatives
    and related fossils being in Africa...

    The Sahara as we know it came into existence about 5k years
    ago, roughly the same time as The Great Barrier Reef -- climate
    optimum.

    5kya has what to do with conditions at a couple
    million years ago?

    We find what is sometimes described as "Proto erectus" in
    Eurasia -- Homo georgicus.

    Erectus wasn't in Africa 2.1 million years ago. There is a claim
    but that claim is self refuting.

    georgicus is relatively the same age or younger
    than erectus...

    More facts for you (hurry and delete them so they
    don't put yhou in a tizzy trying to refute them)

    Recent erectus find:

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
    3 Apr 2020

    Contemporaneity of Australopithecus, Paranthropus,
    and early Homo erectus in South Africa

    "The DNH 134 cranium shares clear affinities with
    Homo erectus, whereas the DNH 152 cranium represents
    P. robustus. Stratigraphic analysis of the Drimolen
    Main Quarry deposits indicates that unlike many
    other South African sites, there was only one major
    phase of relatively short deposition between ~2.04
    million years ago and ~1.95 million years ago. ...
    The DNH 134 cranium shares affinities with H.
    erectus and predates all known specimens in that
    species."

    "The DNH 134 Homo cranium has affinities with H.
    erectus and extends the species’ temporal range
    by ~200,000 to 150,000 years. DNH 134 being older
    than A. sediba complicates the likelihood of this
    species being ancestral to Homo in South Africa,
    as previously suggested. With the oldest occurrence
    of H. erectus at the southern tip of Africa, this
    argues against a suggested Asian origin for H.
    erectus."

    "We interpret the occurrence of Homo aff. erectus
    at this time in South Africa, and soon after at
    Dmanisi (73), as evidence for a major range
    expansion of this species (covering at least 8000
    km) both out of and within Africa around 2.0 to
    1.8 Ma ago."


    And from the study on the green Sahara pathway:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-01034-7
    Low-frequency orbital variations controlled
    climatic and environmental cycles, amplitudes,
    and trends in northeast Africa during the
    Plio-Pleistocene

    "We find that there were many periods of more woody
    Green Sahara intervals, including a particularly
    woody vegetation (over 50% C3) interval at ~2.2 Ma
    in the Nile River catchment (Fig. 2a), generally
    coinciding with the first dispersal out of Africa. A
    large, vegetated area connecting east and northern
    Africa may have triggered a pull-type response in
    hominins that were now able to survive using larger
    cranial capacity79 and move in the lush, ecologically
    connected, region of northeastern Africa."


    There is no reason at all why hominids didn't take
    the NE route. Try looking at a map, Dmanisi is closer
    that way than going through Saudia Arabia.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Marc Verhaegen on Fri Dec 22 22:56:26 2023
    Marc Verhaegen wrote:
    Op maandag 18 december 2023 om 07:43:35 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:
    https://nat.au.dk/en/about-the-faculty/news/show/artikel/climate-played-a-crucial-role-in-human-migration-from-africa
    A green corridor through the Sahara emerged
    precisely during the period when our earliest
    ancestors migrated from Africa. This is shown
    by new research from Aarhus University. ...

    :-DDD

    They *assume* some "migration out-of-Africa",
    but there was no such migration!!


    Recent erectus find:

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
    3 Apr 2020

    Contemporaneity of Australopithecus, Paranthropus,
    and early Homo erectus in South Africa

    "The DNH 134 cranium shares clear affinities with
    Homo erectus, whereas the DNH 152 cranium represents
    P. robustus. Stratigraphic analysis of the Drimolen
    Main Quarry deposits indicates that unlike many
    other South African sites, there was only one major
    phase of relatively short deposition between ~2.04
    million years ago and ~1.95 million years ago. ...
    The DNH 134 cranium shares affinities with H.
    erectus and predates all known specimens in that
    species."

    "The DNH 134 Homo cranium has affinities with H.
    erectus and extends the species’ temporal range
    by ~200,000 to 150,000 years. DNH 134 being older
    than A. sediba complicates the likelihood of this
    species being ancestral to Homo in South Africa,
    as previously suggested. With the oldest occurrence
    of H. erectus at the southern tip of Africa, this
    argues against a suggested Asian origin for H.
    erectus."

    "We interpret the occurrence of Homo aff. erectus
    at this time in South Africa, and soon after at
    Dmanisi (73), as evidence for a major range
    expansion of this species (covering at least 8000
    km) both out of and within Africa around 2.0 to
    1.8 Ma ago."


    And from the study on the green Sahara pathway:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-01034-7
    Low-frequency orbital variations controlled
    climatic and environmental cycles, amplitudes,
    and trends in northeast Africa during the
    Plio-Pleistocene

    "We find that there were many periods of more woody
    Green Sahara intervals, including a particularly
    woody vegetation (over 50% C3) interval at ~2.2 Ma
    in the Nile River catchment (Fig. 2a), generally
    coinciding with the first dispersal out of Africa. A
    large, vegetated area connecting east and northern
    Africa may have triggered a pull-type response in
    hominins that were now able to survive using larger
    cranial capacity79 and move in the lush, ecologically
    connected, region of northeastern Africa."

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to some aquatic fool on Thu Dec 28 22:26:38 2023
    some aquatic fool wrote:
    some savanna fool:
    Despite no fossils there and our closest genetic relatives
    and related fossils being in Africa...

    :-DDD
    How can one be soooo stupid??

    How can you leave out habilis, rudolfensis, ergaster, etc
    all in Africa?

    None of the following is relevant, it's just more of
    your copy and paste.

    1) Fossils:
    independent indications: Indonesian H.erectus were semi-aquatic
    early-Pleist., e.g.
    • Archaic Homo's tooth-wear was caused by "sand & oral processing of
    marine mollusks" Towle cs 2022 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24500
    • H.erectus s.s. in coastal sediments, e.g. Mojokerto barnacles +
    corals, Trinil Pseudodon + Elongaria (edible shellfish), Sangiran-17
    "brackish marsh near the coast".
    • Stephen Munro discovered sea-shell engravings made by H.erectus,
    Joordens cs 2015 Nature 518:228–231 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25470048/
    • Ear exostoses (H.erectus & H.neand.) develop after years of cold water
    irrigation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5696936/
    • Pachy-osteo-sclerosis = slow+shallow-diving tetrapods (de Buffrénil cs
    2010 J.Mamm.Evol.17:101-120), e.g. erectus’ parietal bone is 2x as thick as in gorillas.
    • Brain size in erectus (2x apes/australopiths) is facilitated by
    aquatic foods, e.g. DHA docosahexaenoic acid in shellfish… cf. Odontocetes, Pinnipedia, Enhydra.
    • Platycephaly in erectus/neand.: long, flat, dorsally-shifted
    brain-skull = hydrodynamic, google GondwanaTalks Verhaegen English
    • Pleistocene Homo colonized islands far oversea, e.g. Flores, Luzon
    https://www.academia.edu/36193382/Coastal_Dispersal_of_Pleistocene_Homo_2018
    • Homo’s stone tool use & dexterity is typical for molluscivores, e.g.
    sea-otters

    2) Australopiths were fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan, of course, not
    of us, e.g.
    M Vaneechoutte cs 2023 Nature Anthrop.1,10007
    “Have we been barking up the wrong ancestral tree? Australopithecines
    are probably not our ancestors”
    open access https://www.sciepublish.com/article/pii/94
    "... australopithecines are not transitional between a semi-erect
    ancestor & upright bipedal humans,
    but to the contrary, are intermediate between a more upright ancestor &
    extant semi-erect African apes."

    3) Our Pliocene ancestors were NOT even in Africa!
    -- Yohn CT cs 2005 PLoS Biol.3:1-11:
    "Lineage-Specific Expansions of Retroviral Insertions within the Genome": "ancestral chimpanzee & gorilla spp were infected independently &
    contemporaneously by an exogenous source of gamma-RV 3–4 Ma ...
    human & orangutan populations show no molecular vestiges of this infection"! -- In fact, we knew this for almost half a century:
    Benveniste RE & Todaro GJ 1976 Nature 261:101:
    "Evolution of type C viral genes: evidence for an Asian origin of man":
    "A comparison of the viral gene sequences ... distinguishes those OWMs &
    apes that have evolved in Africa from those that have evolved in Asia.
    Among the apes, only gorilla & chimpanzee seem by these criteria to be
    African,
    gibbon, orang-utan & man are identified as Asian:
    most of man's evolution has occurred outside Africa."

    4) Asian Pleistocene Homo dispersed intercontinentally (Europe & Africa)
    simply following coasts->rivers.

    5) Many so-called "Homo" fossils (e.g. "naledi", "habilis") were
    australopiths, not Homo, google e.g.

    https://www.academia.edu/32076554/Anthropocentric_anthropology_Homo_or_Australopithecus_naledi

    Concl.:
    only incredible idiots still believe their ancestors ran after
    antelopes... :-DDD

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Marc Verhaegen on Mon Jan 1 23:30:19 2024
    Marc Verhaegen wrote:
    https://nat.au.dk/en/about-the-faculty/news/show/artikel/climate-played-a-crucial-role-in-human-migration-from-africa

    :-D These speculations are irrelevant & superfluous:
    Pliocene human ancestors were not even in Africa:

    Recent erectus find north of Johannesburg in South
    Africa, and well inland...

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
    3 Apr 2020

    Contemporaneity of Australopithecus, Paranthropus,
    and early Homo erectus in South Africa

    "The DNH 134 cranium shares clear affinities with
    Homo erectus, whereas the DNH 152 cranium represents
    P. robustus. Stratigraphic analysis of the Drimolen
    Main Quarry deposits indicates that unlike many
    other South African sites, there was only one major
    phase of relatively short deposition between ~2.04
    million years ago and ~1.95 million years ago. ...
    The DNH 134 cranium shares affinities with H.
    erectus and predates all known specimens in that
    species."

    "The DNH 134 Homo cranium has affinities with H.
    erectus and extends the species’ temporal range
    by ~200,000 to 150,000 years. DNH 134 being older
    than A. sediba complicates the likelihood of this
    species being ancestral to Homo in South Africa,
    as previously suggested. With the oldest occurrence
    of H. erectus at the southern tip of Africa, this
    argues against a suggested Asian origin for H.
    erectus."

    "We interpret the occurrence of Homo aff. erectus
    at this time in South Africa, and soon after at
    Dmanisi (73), as evidence for a major range
    expansion of this species (covering at least 8000
    km) both out of and within Africa around 2.0 to
    1.8 Ma ago."


    And from the study on the green Sahara pathway:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-01034-7
    Low-frequency orbital variations controlled
    climatic and environmental cycles, amplitudes,
    and trends in northeast Africa during the
    Plio-Pleistocene

    "We find that there were many periods of more woody
    Green Sahara intervals, including a particularly
    woody vegetation (over 50% C3) interval at ~2.2 Ma
    in the Nile River catchment (Fig. 2a), generally
    coinciding with the first dispersal out of Africa. A
    large, vegetated area connecting east and northern
    Africa may have triggered a pull-type response in
    hominins that were now able to survive using larger
    cranial capacity79 and move in the lush, ecologically
    connected, region of northeastern Africa."

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Marc Verhaegen on Mon Jan 1 23:25:50 2024
    Marc Verhaegen wrote:
    Some antelope runner:

    How can you leave out habilis, rudolfensis, ergaster, etc
    all in Africa?

    Who does leaves out what??? :-D

    You do, ignoring all the other *African* hominid finds...

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