On 29.11.2023. 23:53, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
https://youtu.be/pG8TyIEAqps?feature=shared
To my surprise, one hundred stories high
People getting loose y'all, getting down on the roof
Folks are screaming, out of control
It was so entertaining when the boogie started to explode
I heard somebody say
disco inferno
(Burn baby burn) burn that mother down
(Burn baby burn) disco inferno
(Burn baby burn) burn that mother down
https://youtu.be/7abtI682lYA?si=l_qc2-WbPGZmw_jP
On 30.11.2023. 1:22, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.11.2023. 23:53, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
https://youtu.be/pG8TyIEAqps?feature=shared
To my surprise, one hundred stories high
People getting loose y'all, getting down on the roof
Folks are screaming, out of control
It was so entertaining when the boogie started to explode
I heard somebody say
disco inferno
(Burn baby burn) burn that mother down
(Burn baby burn) disco inferno
(Burn baby burn) burn that mother down
https://youtu.be/7abtI682lYA?si=l_qc2-WbPGZmw_jP
Disco few million years ago: https://youtu.be/dXlAgg3zXmk?si=v5SGHtt0S5f40bNe
https://youtu.be/pG8TyIEAqps?feature=shared
To my surprise, one hundred stories high
People getting loose y'all, getting down on the roof
Folks are screaming, out of control
It was so entertaining when the boogie started to explode
I heard somebody say
disco inferno
(Burn baby burn) burn that mother down
(Burn baby burn) disco inferno
(Burn baby burn) burn that mother down
I thought that Vallesian crisis marks the point, but now I think that it is even earlier. The key is Hipparione horses. They dwelt
in Beringia. The only thing that could make them go west is burned surrounding, for which they are adapted. And by 12 Ma they were already
in Vienna basin.
Good indicator is global temperature fluctuation. Those burning
change the luminescence of Earth, so Earth reflects more or lass
sunlight. If vegetation is thick, this swallows sunlight, if it is thin,
more sunlight is reflected into space, so Earth is colder. Very good
example is Younger Dryas, which happened immediately after humans
started to burn Americas. Well, similar situation happened in the middle
of Miocene, around 14 Ma, and it is called 'Middle Miocene disruption'.
So, I would say that people learnt about fire immediately after
they reached Portugal (15 Ma). It has to be Portugal, because this is
where you can learn about the effects of burning, in Portugal you have pyrophytic Mediterranean ecology. But how come we only have savanna at 8
Ma, in India, in Sahara, probably earlier at North Mediterranean? Well,
this is the developed condition. It is only natural that at first you
have one occurrence of some phenomenon, then later another, then more
and more, this is the natural progression, you don't have the developed
stage right from the start. At those times temperature was still pretty
high, so precipitation was also pretty high, so vegetation could
replenish easily.
On 29.11.2023. 19:52, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I thought that Vallesian crisis marks the point, but now I >> think that it is even earlier. The key is Hipparione horses. They
dwelt in Beringia. The only thing that could make them go west is
burned surrounding, for which they are adapted. And by 12 Ma they were
already in Vienna basin.
Good indicator is global temperature fluctuation. Those
burning change the luminescence of Earth, so Earth reflects more or
lass sunlight. If vegetation is thick, this swallows sunlight, if it
is thin, more sunlight is reflected into space, so Earth is colder.
Very good example is Younger Dryas, which happened immediately after
humans started to burn Americas. Well, similar situation happened in
the middle of Miocene, around 14 Ma, and it is called 'Middle Miocene
disruption'.
So, I would say that people learnt about fire immediately >> after they reached Portugal (15 Ma). It has to be Portugal, because
this is where you can learn about the effects of burning, in Portugal
you have pyrophytic Mediterranean ecology. But how come we only have
savanna at 8 Ma, in India, in Sahara, probably earlier at North
Mediterranean? Well, this is the developed condition. It is only
natural that at first you have one occurrence of some phenomenon, then
later another, then more and more, this is the natural progression,
you don't have the developed stage right from the start. At those
times temperature was still pretty high, so precipitation was also
pretty high, so vegetation could replenish easily.
Actually, this is how it went. It looks like the recent research says that humans already lived in mosaic environment in East
African Great Rift Valley, 21 Ma: https://news.umich.edu/apes-may-have-evolved-upright-stature-for-leaves-not-fruit-in-open-woodland-habitats/
So what happened? In Africa burning was only around the Great Rift Valley. When humans moved to Europe, there they lived on sea
cliffs. But those sea cliffs were everywhere, on north Mediterranean
coast, which is very developed, then, around Paratethys, which is also
pretty developed (it looks like), so they burnt a lot of area. And this additional burnt area caused Middle Miocene climatic disruption.
On 29.11.2023. 19:52, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I thought that Vallesian crisis marks the point, but now I >> think that it is even earlier. The key is Hipparione horses. They
dwelt in Beringia. The only thing that could make them go west is
burned surrounding, for which they are adapted. And by 12 Ma they were
already in Vienna basin.
Good indicator is global temperature fluctuation. Those
burning change the luminescence of Earth, so Earth reflects more or
lass sunlight. If vegetation is thick, this swallows sunlight, if it
is thin, more sunlight is reflected into space, so Earth is colder.
Very good example is Younger Dryas, which happened immediately after
humans started to burn Americas. Well, similar situation happened in
the middle of Miocene, around 14 Ma, and it is called 'Middle Miocene
disruption'.
So, I would say that people learnt about fire immediately >> after they reached Portugal (15 Ma). It has to be Portugal, because
this is where you can learn about the effects of burning, in Portugal
you have pyrophytic Mediterranean ecology. But how come we only have
savanna at 8 Ma, in India, in Sahara, probably earlier at North
Mediterranean? Well, this is the developed condition. It is only
natural that at first you have one occurrence of some phenomenon, then
later another, then more and more, this is the natural progression,
you don't have the developed stage right from the start. At those
times temperature was still pretty high, so precipitation was also
pretty high, so vegetation could replenish easily.
Actually, this is how it went. It looks like the recent research says that humans already lived in mosaic environment in East
African Great Rift Valley, 21 Ma: https://news.umich.edu/apes-may-have-evolved-upright-stature-for-leaves-not-fruit-in-open-woodland-habitats/
So what happened? In Africa burning was only around the Great Rift Valley. When humans moved to Europe, there they lived on sea
cliffs. But those sea cliffs were everywhere, on north Mediterranean
coast, which is very developed, then, around Paratethys, which is also
pretty developed (it looks like), so they burnt a lot of area. And this additional burnt area caused Middle Miocene climatic disruption.
On 29.11.2023. 19:52, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I thought that Vallesian crisis marks the point, but now I >> think that it is even earlier. The key is Hipparione horses. They
dwelt in Beringia. The only thing that could make them go west is
burned surrounding, for which they are adapted. And by 12 Ma they were
already in Vienna basin.
Good indicator is global temperature fluctuation. Those
burning change the luminescence of Earth, so Earth reflects more or
lass sunlight. If vegetation is thick, this swallows sunlight, if it
is thin, more sunlight is reflected into space, so Earth is colder.
Very good example is Younger Dryas, which happened immediately after
humans started to burn Americas. Well, similar situation happened in
the middle of Miocene, around 14 Ma, and it is called 'Middle Miocene
disruption'.
So, I would say that people learnt about fire immediately >> after they reached Portugal (15 Ma). It has to be Portugal, because
this is where you can learn about the effects of burning, in Portugal
you have pyrophytic Mediterranean ecology. But how come we only have
savanna at 8 Ma, in India, in Sahara, probably earlier at North
Mediterranean? Well, this is the developed condition. It is only
natural that at first you have one occurrence of some phenomenon, then
later another, then more and more, this is the natural progression,
you don't have the developed stage right from the start. At those
times temperature was still pretty high, so precipitation was also
pretty high, so vegetation could replenish easily.
Actually, this is how it went. It looks like the recent research says that humans already lived in mosaic environment in East
African Great Rift Valley, 21 Ma: https://news.umich.edu/apes-may-have-evolved-upright-stature-for-leaves-not-fruit-in-open-woodland-habitats/
So what happened? In Africa burning was only around the Great Rift Valley. When humans moved to Europe, there they lived on sea
cliffs. But those sea cliffs were everywhere, on north Mediterranean
coast, which is very developed, then, around Paratethys, which is also
pretty developed (it looks like), so they burnt a lot of area. And this additional burnt area caused Middle Miocene climatic disruption.
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 04:25:09 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
...
Actually, to cause so big burning you first need to be bipedal.
:-DDD
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 15:53:53 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
On 1.12.2023. 10:33, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 04:25:09 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
...
Actually, to cause so big burning you first need to be bipedal.
:-DDD
Is marijuana legal in Belgium?
:-D I have no idea, Mario, but early-Miocene Hominoidea were already BP, google "aquarboreal".
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 18:17:17 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
On 1.12.2023. 17:01, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 15:53:53 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
On 1.12.2023. 10:33, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 04:25:09 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
...
Actually, to cause so big burning you first need to be bipedal.
:-DDD
Is marijuana legal in Belgium?
:-D I have no idea, Mario, but early-Miocene Hominoidea were already BP, >>> google "aquarboreal".
Ah, you grow your own stuff, ;)
:-) Mario becoming a bit sensible?
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 22:35:23 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
...
As I told you numerous times, it isn't hard to be bipedal,
Yes, of course, but Hominoidea (vs Catarrhini):
- bipedal sensu google "aquarboreal"
- complete tail loss
- larger body size (hylobatids still long gestation)
- very broad sternum (Latisternalia)
- dorsal scapulas (lateral & upward arm movements)
- shorter & centrally-placed lumbar spine
- etc.
-Hylobatids are still BP (vertical + brachiation),
-Pongo had to evolve fist-walking to become QP again,
-Gorilla // Pan had to evolve knuckle-walking (in parallel).
"aquarboreal" or
"GondwanaTalk Verhaegen English".
____
everybody
can be bipedal without problems (even in Oligocene, no problemo,
dinosaurs were bipedal for god's sake). The question is, why we cannot
be quadrupedal anymore? It cannot be that we didn't need quadrupedality.
Quadrupedality has big advantages, of course, this is why everybody *is*
quadrupedal, including apes. So, why we stopped to use it, this is the
question.
I know the answer, of course, but nobody wants to listen.
https://youtu.be/Mk-HHyGRSRw?si=QWJoQese_gOAlyi8
Op zaterdag 2 december 2023 om 00:38:38 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
On 1.12.2023. 23:13, Marc Verhaegen wrote:...
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 22:35:23 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
Miocene Hominoidea (vs Catarrhini):
-- bipedal sensu google "aquarboreal"
-- complete tail loss
-- larger body size (hylobatids still long gestation)
-- very broad sternum (Latisternalia)
-- dorsal scapulas (lateral & upward arm movements)
-- shorter & centrally-placed lumbar spine - etc.
-Hylobatids are still BP (vertical + brachiation),
-Pongo had to evolve fist-walking to become QP again,
-Gorilla // Pan had to evolve knuckle-walking (in parallel).
Google "aquarboreal" or "GondwanaTalk Verhaegen English".
____
everybody
can be bipedal without problems (even in Oligocene, no problemo,
dinosaurs were bipedal for god's sake). The question is, why we cannot >>>> be quadrupedal anymore? It cannot be that we didn't need quadrupedality. >>>> Quadrupedality has big advantages, of course, this is why everybody *is* >>>> quadrupedal, including apes. So, why we stopped to use it, this is the >>>> question.
I know the answer, of course, but nobody wants to listen.
https://youtu.be/Mk-HHyGRSRw?si=QWJoQese_gOAlyi8
:-DDD
You better ask: did ursids have aquarboreal ancestors? only predom.wading?
No, it is just the case that ape hand is build like a hook, it has
limited extension. Knuckle-walking is just a developed stage, Orangutan
has to do fist walking since he doesn't have developed cushion pads.
All Hominoidea had aquarboreal ancestors,
but probably late-Miocene hominids swam more than pongids.
In the 1980s, I already said:
- humans never had KWing ancestors,
- KWing evolved in parallel in Pan//Gorilla,
nowadays this seems to be generally accepted.
Op zaterdag 2 december 2023 om 12:35:09 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
On 2.12.2023. 11:40, Marc Verhaegen wrote:...
Op zaterdag 2 december 2023 om 00:38:38 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic: >>>> On 1.12.2023. 23:13, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 22:35:23 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
____Miocene Hominoidea (vs Catarrhini):
-- bipedal sensu google "aquarboreal"
-- complete tail loss
-- larger body size (hylobatids still long gestation)
-- very broad sternum (Latisternalia)
-- dorsal scapulas (lateral & upward arm movements)
-- shorter & centrally-placed lumbar spine - etc.
-Hylobatids are still BP (vertical + brachiation),
-Pongo had to evolve fist-walking to become QP again,
-Gorilla // Pan had to evolve knuckle-walking (in parallel).
Google "aquarboreal" or "GondwanaTalk Verhaegen English".
everybody
can be bipedal without problems (even in Oligocene, no problemo,
dinosaurs were bipedal for god's sake). The question is, why we cannot >>>>>> be quadrupedal anymore? It cannot be that we didn't need quadrupedality. >>>>>> Quadrupedality has big advantages, of course, this is why everybody *is* >>>>>> quadrupedal, including apes. So, why we stopped to use it, this is the >>>>>> question.
I know the answer, of course, but nobody wants to listen.
https://youtu.be/Mk-HHyGRSRw?si=QWJoQese_gOAlyi8
:-DDD You better ask: did ursids have aquarboreal ancestors? only predom.wading?
It really doesn't matter, we have different pelvis, we have different
backbone.
Yes, that's what I said - can't you read??
You better ask, what is the reason for that?
I told you, the key isn't in bipedality, chicken are bipedal, the
question is why we have our unique features, this is the question.
Everybody asks the wrong question, it isn't a problem to be bipedal,
everybody is bipedal sometimes. Even elephants.
My little boy, grow up:
just google "aquarboreal".
No, it is just the case that ape hand is build like a hook, it has
limited extension. Knuckle-walking is just a developed stage, Orangutan >>>> has to do fist walking since he doesn't have developed cushion pads.
All Hominoidea had aquarboreal ancestors,
but probably late-Miocene hominids swam more than pongids.
In the 1980s, I already said:
- humans never had KWing ancestors,
- KWing evolved in parallel in Pan//Gorilla,
nowadays this seems to be generally accepted.
First and foremost, all Hominoidea are orthograde.
Of course: aquarboreal (aqua=water, arbor=tree):
vertically wading+climbing in swamp forests.
(mostly coastal?mangrove forests?)
This is reflected
in our imprinted backbone. This means that the surface wasn't
horizontal, but vertical. Vertical clinging.
Yes, my boy: aquarboreal.
On 2.12.2023. 13:08, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
Op zaterdag 2 december 2023 om 12:35:09 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
On 2.12.2023. 11:40, Marc Verhaegen wrote:...
Op zaterdag 2 december 2023 om 00:38:38 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic: >>>>> On 1.12.2023. 23:13, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
Op vrijdag 1 december 2023 om 22:35:23 UTC+1 schreef Mario
Petrinovic:
____Miocene Hominoidea (vs Catarrhini):
-- bipedal sensu google "aquarboreal"
-- complete tail loss
-- larger body size (hylobatids still long gestation)
-- very broad sternum (Latisternalia)
-- dorsal scapulas (lateral & upward arm movements)
-- shorter & centrally-placed lumbar spine - etc.
-Hylobatids are still BP (vertical + brachiation),
-Pongo had to evolve fist-walking to become QP again,
-Gorilla // Pan had to evolve knuckle-walking (in parallel).
Google "aquarboreal" or "GondwanaTalk Verhaegen English".
everybody
can be bipedal without problems (even in Oligocene, no problemo, >>>>>>> dinosaurs were bipedal for god's sake). The question is, why we
cannot
be quadrupedal anymore? It cannot be that we didn't need
quadrupedality.
Quadrupedality has big advantages, of course, this is why
everybody *is*
quadrupedal, including apes. So, why we stopped to use it, this
is the
question.
I know the answer, of course, but nobody wants to listen.
https://youtu.be/Mk-HHyGRSRw?si=QWJoQese_gOAlyi8
:-DDD You better ask: did ursids have aquarboreal ancestors? only
predom.wading?
It really doesn't matter, we have different pelvis, we have different
backbone.
Yes, that's what I said - can't you read??
You better ask, what is the reason for that?
I told you, the key isn't in bipedality, chicken are bipedal, the
question is why we have our unique features, this is the question.
Everybody asks the wrong question, it isn't a problem to be bipedal,
everybody is bipedal sometimes. Even elephants.
My little boy, grow up:
just google "aquarboreal".
No, it is just the case that ape hand is build like a hook, it has
limited extension. Knuckle-walking is just a developed stage,
Orangutan
has to do fist walking since he doesn't have developed cushion pads.
All Hominoidea had aquarboreal ancestors,
but probably late-Miocene hominids swam more than pongids.
In the 1980s, I already said:
- humans never had KWing ancestors,
- KWing evolved in parallel in Pan//Gorilla,
nowadays this seems to be generally accepted.
First and foremost, all Hominoidea are orthograde.
Of course: aquarboreal (aqua=water, arbor=tree):
vertically wading+climbing in swamp forests.
(mostly coastal?mangrove forests?)
This is reflected
in our imprinted backbone. This means that the surface wasn't
horizontal, but vertical. Vertical clinging.
Yes, my boy: aquarboreal.
No, baby: cliffs.
Op zaterdag 2 december 2023 om 14:55:45 UTC+1 schreef Mario Petrinovic:
...
____Miocene Hominoidea (vs Catarrhini):
-- bipedal sensu google "aquarboreal"
-- complete tail loss
-- larger body size (hylobatids still long gestation)
-- very broad sternum (Latisternalia)
-- dorsal scapulas (lateral & upward arm movements)
-- shorter & centrally-placed lumbar spine - etc.
-Hylobatids are still BP (vertical + brachiation),
-Pongo had to evolve fist-walking to become QP again,
-Gorilla // Pan had to evolve knuckle-walking (in parallel).
Google "aquarboreal" or "GondwanaTalk Verhaegen English".
everybody
can be bipedal without problems (even in Oligocene, no problemo, >>>>>>>>> dinosaurs were bipedal for god's sake). The question is, why we >>>>>>>>> cannot
be quadrupedal anymore? It cannot be that we didn't need
quadrupedality.
Quadrupedality has big advantages, of course, this is why
everybody *is*
quadrupedal, including apes. So, why we stopped to use it, this >>>>>>>>> is the question.
I know the answer, of course, but nobody wants to listen.
https://youtu.be/Mk-HHyGRSRw?si=QWJoQese_gOAlyi8
:-DDD You better ask: did ursids have aquarboreal ancestors? only >>>>>> predom.wading?
It really doesn't matter, we have different pelvis, we have different >>>>> backbone.
Yes, that's what I said - can't you read??
You better ask, what is the reason for that?
I told you, the key isn't in bipedality, chicken are bipedal, the
question is why we have our unique features, this is the question.
Everybody asks the wrong question, it isn't a problem to be bipedal, >>>>> everybody is bipedal sometimes. Even elephants.
My little boy, grow up: just google "aquarboreal".
No, it is just the case that ape hand is build like a hook, it has >>>>>>> limited extension. Knuckle-walking is just a developed stage,
Orangutan
has to do fist walking since he doesn't have developed cushion pads.
All Hominoidea had aquarboreal ancestors,
but probably late-Miocene hominids swam more than pongids.
In the 1980s, I already said:
- humans never had KWing ancestors,
- KWing evolved in parallel in Pan//Gorilla,
nowadays this seems to be generally accepted.
First and foremost, all Hominoidea are orthograde.
Of course: aquarboreal (aqua=water, arbor=tree):
vertically wading+climbing in swamp forests.
(mostly coastal?mangrove forests?)
This is reflected
in our imprinted backbone. This means that the surface wasn't
horizontal, but vertical. Vertical clinging.
Yes, my boy: aquarboreal.
No, baby: cliffs.
:-DDD
Actually, cliffs for orthogrady (apes) and seaside wading for our type
of bipedality (humans).
Grow up, Mario:
Miocene Hominoidea were aquarboreal.
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