• Capuchin tool use cracking open palm nuts; lots of bipedal behavior

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 22:45:23 2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv3EXdfcNbw

    Skip to about the 6:45 mark. Includes bipedal behavior carrying large
    rocks. The young
    learn from adults.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 23:25:41 2021
    No tool use.

    Again: If you want to suffer from dementia and call this "tool use" then it renders the history of tools & tools use unknown and unknowable. After
    all, Monkeys go back about 35 million years, as far as we know, and we
    couldn't rule out such "Tool use" before then. And considering that
    birds, fish and invertebrates are described as "Tool users," we can't rule
    it out during the dinosaur era, or even the Cambrian! So, "unknown & unknowable."

    Kind of exactly the opposite of science, that.

    YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THE ACTION in order to know that a
    rock is one of your "Tools." It's not the object it's the action, and actions are verbs while tools are nouns.

    Get it? Even just a little?

    Tools are objects but in this case it's the actions which are special, not
    the objects.

    Instead of saying "Hammering" with a "Tool" saying "Banging" with a "Rock."

    There. The tool vanishes. It's like moving from a skilled carpenter wielding
    a hammer to a baby hitting their rattle against their highchair.







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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue Nov 2 02:51:52 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 2:25:42 AM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    No tool use.

    Again: If you want to suffer from dementia and call this "tool use" then it renders the history of tools & tools use unknown and unknowable. After
    all, Monkeys go back about 35 million years, as far as we know, and we couldn't rule out such "Tool use" before then. And considering that
    birds, fish and invertebrates are described as "Tool users," we can't rule
    it out during the dinosaur era, or even the Cambrian! So, "unknown & unknowable."

    Kind of exactly the opposite of science, that.

    YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THE ACTION in order to know that a
    rock is one of your "Tools." It's not the object it's the action, and actions are verbs while tools are nouns.

    Get it? Even just a little?

    Tools are objects but in this case it's the actions which are special, not the objects.

    Instead of saying "Hammering" with a "Tool" saying "Banging" with a "Rock."

    There. The tool vanishes. It's like moving from a skilled carpenter wielding a hammer to a baby hitting their rattle against their highchair.







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    Hammerstone.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 2 04:04:52 2021
    On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 7:01:04 AM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 12:45:25 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv3EXdfcNbw

    Skip to about the 6:45 mark. Includes bipedal behavior carrying large rocks. The young
    learn from adults.
    https://youtu.be/8navgU8-tw0 capuchins using hammerstones & anvils to crack nuts, crabs along shallow stream

    12 second video of capuchin and gibbon
    https://youtu.be/7ov-qcKc380

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue Nov 2 04:01:02 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 12:45:25 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv3EXdfcNbw

    Skip to about the 6:45 mark. Includes bipedal behavior carrying large
    rocks. The young
    learn from adults.

    https://youtu.be/8navgU8-tw0 capuchins using hammerstones & anvils to crack nuts, crabs along shallow stream

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 2 12:26:10 2021
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Hammerstone.

    I am SO GLAD that you left your subterranean cave, with all it's trout,
    and put down your domeshield long enough to misunderstand tools.
    Honest, I am grateful for your efforts and not being the slightest bit sarcastic. Well. Okay. Maybe the slightest bit BUT NO MORE!




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