• Remains found in China may belong to third human lineage

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 6 23:50:04 2023
    https://phys.org/news/2023-08-china-human-lineage.html

    A team of paleontologists at the Chinese Academy of
    Sciences, working with colleagues from Xi'an Jiaotong
    University, the University of York, the University of
    Chinese Academy of Sciences and the National Research
    Center on Human Evolution, has found evidence of a
    previously unknown human lineage. In their study,
    reported in Journal of Human Evolution, the group
    analyzed the fossilized jawbone, partial skull and
    some leg bones of a hominin dated to 300,000 years ago.

    The fossils were excavated at a site in Hualongdong, in
    what is now a part of East China. They were subsequently
    subjected to both a morphological and a geometric
    assessment, with the initial focus on the jawbone, which
    exhibited unique features—a triangular lower edge and a
    unique bend.

    The research team suggests that the unique features of
    the jawbone resemble those of both modern humans and
    Late Pleistocene hominids. But they also found that it
    did not have a chin, which suggests that it was more
    closely related to older species. They found other
    features that resemble hominins of the Middle
    Pleistocene, which, when taken together, suggested the
    individual most resembled a Homo erectus species. And
    that, they conclude, suggests a hybrid of modern human
    and ancient hominid.

    The researchers note that the combination of features
    has never before been observed in hominids in East Asia,
    suggesting that traits found in modern humans began to
    appear as far back as 300,000 years ago.
    ...
    In an effort to determine a species for the remains, the
    team ruled out Denisovan. That left them with the
    likelihood that the fossils represent a third
    lineage—one that is not Denisovan or Homo erectus, and
    is closer to Homo sapiens. And if this is the case, the
    species would very likely have shared some evolutionary
    relationships with hominins of the Middle or Late
    Pleistocene, resulting in shared characteristics.


    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047248423000908 Morphological and morphometric analyses of a late
    Middle Pleistocene hominin mandible from Hualongdong,
    China


    Abstract
    Excavations in Hualongdong (HLD), East China, have
    yielded abundant hominin fossils dated to 300 ka.
    There is a nearly complete mandible that fits well
    with a partial cranium, and together they compose
    the skull labeled as HLD 6. Thus far, detailed
    morphological description and comparisons of the
    mandible have not been conducted. Here we present
    a comprehensive morphological, metric, and geometric
    morphometric assessment of this mandible and compare
    it with both adult and immature specimens of
    Pleistocene hominins and recent modern humans.
    Results indicate that the HLD 6 mandible exhibits a
    mosaic morphological pattern characterized by a
    robust corpus and relatively gracile symphysis and
    ramus. The moderately developed mental trigone and
    a clear anterior mandibular incurvation of the
    HLD 6 mandible are reminiscent of Late Pleistocene
    hominin and recent modern human morphology. However,
    the weak expression of all these features indicates
    that this mandible does not possess a true chin.
    Moreover, a suite of archaic features that resemble
    those of Middle Pleistocene hominins includes
    pronounced alveolar planum, superior transverse
    torus, thick corpus, a pronounced endocondyloid
    crest, and a well-developed medial pterygoid tubercle.
    The geometric morphometric analysis further confirms
    the mosaic pattern of the HLD 6 mandible. The
    combination of both archaic and modern human features
    identified in the HLD 6 mandible is unexpected, given
    its late Middle Pleistocene age and differs from
    approximately contemporaneous Homo members such as
    Xujiayao, Penghu, and Xiahe. This mosaic pattern has
    never been recorded in late Middle Pleistocene hominin
    fossil assemblages in East Asia. The HLD 6 mandible
    provides further support for the high morphological
    diversity during late Middle Pleistocene hominin
    evolution. With these findings, it is possible that
    modern human morphologies are present as early as
    300 ka and earlier than the emergence of modern humans
    in East Asia.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 7 03:12:03 2023
    Op maandag 7 augustus 2023 om 07:50:09 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:
    https://phys.org/news/2023-08-china-human-lineage.html

    Thanks! Exactly as expected :-) Google https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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    A team of paleontologists at the Chinese Academy of
    Sciences, working with colleagues from Xi'an Jiaotong
    University, the University of York, the University of
    Chinese Academy of Sciences and the National Research
    Center on Human Evolution, has found evidence of a
    previously unknown human lineage. In their study,
    reported in Journal of Human Evolution, the group
    analyzed the fossilized jawbone, partial skull and
    some leg bones of a hominin dated to 300,000 years ago.
    The fossils were excavated at a site in Hualongdong, in
    what is now a part of East China. They were subsequently
    subjected to both a morphological and a geometric
    assessment, with the initial focus on the jawbone, which
    exhibited unique features—a triangular lower edge and a
    unique bend.
    The research team suggests that the unique features of
    the jawbone resemble those of both modern humans and
    Late Pleistocene hominids. But they also found that it
    did not have a chin, which suggests that it was more
    closely related to older species. They found other
    features that resemble hominins of the Middle
    Pleistocene, which, when taken together, suggested the
    individual most resembled a Homo erectus species. And
    that, they conclude, suggests a hybrid of modern human
    and ancient hominid.
    The researchers note that the combination of features
    has never before been observed in hominids in East Asia,
    suggesting that traits found in modern humans began to
    appear as far back as 300,000 years ago. ...
    In an effort to determine a species for the remains, the
    team ruled out Denisovan. That left them with the
    likelihood that the fossils represent a third
    lineage—one that is not Denisovan or Homo erectus, and
    is closer to Homo sapiens. And if this is the case, the
    species would very likely have shared some evolutionary
    relationships with hominins of the Middle or Late
    Pleistocene, resulting in shared characteristics.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047248423000908 Morphological and morphometric analyses of a late
    Middle Pleistocene hominin mandible from Hualongdong,
    China
    Excavations in Hualongdong (HLD), East China, have
    yielded abundant hominin fossils dated to 300 ka.
    There is a nearly complete mandible that fits well
    with a partial cranium, and together they compose
    the skull labeled as HLD 6. Thus far, detailed
    morphological description and comparisons of the
    mandible have not been conducted. Here we present
    a comprehensive morphological, metric, and geometric
    morphometric assessment of this mandible and compare
    it with both adult and immature specimens of
    Pleistocene hominins and recent modern humans.
    Results indicate that the HLD 6 mandible exhibits a
    mosaic morphological pattern characterized by a
    robust corpus and relatively gracile symphysis and
    ramus. The moderately developed mental trigone and
    a clear anterior mandibular incurvation of the
    HLD 6 mandible are reminiscent of Late Pleistocene
    hominin and recent modern human morphology. However,
    the weak expression of all these features indicates
    that this mandible does not possess a true chin.
    Moreover, a suite of archaic features that resemble
    those of Middle Pleistocene hominins includes
    pronounced alveolar planum, superior transverse
    torus, thick corpus, a pronounced endocondyloid
    crest, and a well-developed medial pterygoid tubercle.
    The geometric morphometric analysis further confirms
    the mosaic pattern of the HLD 6 mandible. The
    combination of both archaic and modern human features
    identified in the HLD 6 mandible is unexpected, given
    its late Middle Pleistocene age and differs from
    approximately contemporaneous Homo members such as
    Xujiayao, Penghu, and Xiahe. This mosaic pattern has
    never been recorded in late Middle Pleistocene hominin
    fossil assemblages in East Asia. The HLD 6 mandible
    provides further support for the high morphological
    diversity during late Middle Pleistocene hominin
    evolution. With these findings, it is possible that
    modern human morphologies are present as early as
    300 ka and earlier than the emergence of modern humans
    in East Asia.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Mon Aug 7 10:41:06 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    Thanks! Exactly as expected :-) Google https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    It's all so circular, isn't?

    They find traits that fall within the loosely defined "Range" of
    so called moderns and, once again, conclude that some
    African picked up their rocks and walked to China... "Because
    reasons."

    AND, they insist that Aquatic Ape, a population of Homo
    living along/following the waters edge, bringing them
    everywhere, is stupid.

    But let's take this one step at a time...

    Why isn't this evidence for a Eurasian origins of these so
    called modern traits?




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 11 22:10:57 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 7 augustus 2023 om 07:50:09 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:
    https://phys.org/news/2023-08-china-human-lineage.html

    Thanks! Exactly as expected :-) Google

    You're saying they waded to the middle of China???

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Aug 11 22:18:23 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You're saying they waded to the middle of China???

    No he's not. If you had an ounce of maturity you'd acknowledge
    the model that's been laid out. You might even acknowledge
    that they didn't "Endurance Hunt" their way to China either.

    Your idiocy has no way of explaining ancestors in China or
    anywhere else for that matter. Aquatic Ape has them on the
    coast, consuming resources then moving one, with occasional
    groups following freshwater sources and transitional wetlands
    inland, where they adapted to the new environment.

    Aquatic Ape = Complete model that explains everything.

    Your idiocy = sheer idiocy. A disarticulated jumble of self
    refuting nonsense.















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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Mon Sep 4 00:23:08 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You're saying they waded to the middle of China???


    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 7 augustus 2023 om 07:50:09 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:
    https://phys.org/news/2023-08-china-human-lineage.html

    Thanks! Exactly as expected :-) Google

    You're saying they waded to the middle of China???

    So, how is that "as expected"?

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Mon Sep 4 00:46:06 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You're saying they waded to the middle of China???

    Repeating your stupidity DOUBLES your stupidity. It doesn't
    make you any smarter.

    "Coastal Dispersal" is Aquatic Ape. It says they were on the
    coast, they were exploiting the marine resources, following
    the waters edge. It's how your fellow nimrods claim that
    Homo reached Asia in the first place. And here you are,
    urinating on yourself, pretending any of this exists in isolation
    instead of a piece of a comprehensive picture that you idiots
    can't hope to match...

    Have a nice day.




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Tue Sep 12 22:22:05 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:


    [OCPD]

    Yeah, the FBI has been informed about you... can't take any risks.

    So, anyway, you are a blithering idiot, quoting things you never read,
    much less understood, and that's why you can't answer even basis
    questions.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 00:08:31 2023
    You've given up, surrendered; acknowledged that you
    can't construct a rational model.




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Oct 8 21:23:59 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:

    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:


    [OCPD]

    Yeah, the FBI has been informed about you... can't take any risks.

    So, anyway, you are a blithering idiot, quoting things you never read,
    much less understood, and that's why you can't answer even basis
    questions.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 8 21:01:24 2023
    Again, Aquatic Ape is an actual model. It explains HOW and WHY
    our ancestors spread across continents. It even explains
    observations such as Multi Regionalism/Regional Continuity.



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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 04:10:13 2023
    Op woensdag 13 september 2023 om 06:22:07 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    Ridiculous kudu runner speaks about himself:

    So, anyway, you are a blithering idiot, quoting things you never read,
    much less understood, and that's why you can't answer even basis
    questions.

    :-DDD

    Stupid stupid stupid idiots who still believe their anestors ran after antelopes... :-D

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 9 04:19:25 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    Stupid stupid stupid idiots who still believe their anestors ran after antelopes... :-D

    Remember this?

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/kkUfhZv6UJ0/m/TR1K2qm2AQAJ

    They cite a youtube video where native Africans on the savanna choose
    walking up to feeding lions rather than try to hunt antelope or buffalo?!?!?

    They preferred walking up to hungry lions over hunting antelope! And this "Proves"... what?





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 10 06:14:56 2023
    Op maandag 9 oktober 2023 om 13:19:27 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    Stupid stupid stupid idiots who still believe their ancestors ran after antelopes... :-D

    Remember this? https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/kkUfhZv6UJ0/m/TR1K2qm2AQAJ
    They cite a youtube video where native Africans on the savanna choose walking up to feeding lions rather than try to hunt antelope or buffalo?!?!? They preferred walking up to hungry lions over hunting antelope! And this "Proves"... what?

    :-D
    Yes, they're just stupid.
    Our Pliocene & early-Pleist.ancestors were not even in Africa (we lack African retroviral DNA):
    Homo simply followed S.Asian coasts --> early-Pleist.Java Mojokerto etc. https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    At least 8 facts independently show Pleistocene H.erectus were semi-aquatic: • Archaic Homo's atypical tooth-wear was caused by "sand and oral processing of marine mollusks", Towle cs 2022 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24500
    • H.erectus s.s. typically?always fossilized in coastal sediments, e.g. Mojokerto: barnacles + corals, Trinil: Pseudodon + Elongaria (edible shellfish), Sangiran-17: "brackish marsh near the coast".
    • Stephen Munro discovered sea-shell engravings made by H.erectus, Joordens cs 2015 Nature 518:228–231 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25470048/
    • Ear exostoses (H.erectus & H.neand.) develop after years of cold(er) water irrigation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5696936/
    • Pachy-osteo-sclerosis is only seen in slow+shallow-diving tetrapods (de Buffrénil cs 2010 J.Mamm.Evol.17:101-120), e.g. erectus’ parietal bone is 2x as thick as in gorillas.
    • Brain size in erectus (2x apes/australopiths) is facilitated by aquatic foods, e.g. DHA docosahexaenoic acid in shellfish etc., e.g. Odontocetes, Pinnipedia.
    • Late-Pleistocene descendants or relatives colonized islands far oversea (fossils Flores 100–50 ka, Luzon 67 ka) https://www.academia.edu/36193382/Coastal_Dispersal_of_Pleistocene_Homo_2018
    • Homo’s stone tool use & dexterity is typical for molluscivores, e.g. sea-otters.

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