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New evidence of plant food processing in Italy before 40ka
May 2023

Abstract
Evidence of plant food processing is a significant
indicator of the human ability to exploit environmental
resources. The recovery of starch grains associated
with use-wear on Palaeolithic grinding tools offers
proof of a specific technology for making flour among
Pleistocene hunter-gatherers. Here we present the
analysis of five grindstones from two Italian sites,
Riparo Bombrini and Grotta di Castelcivita, both
inhabited during a crucial phase spanning the decline
of the Neanderthals and the establishment of Sapiens.
The recovery of starch grains on a Mousterian grindstone
at Bombrini suggests that the last Neanderthals not only
consumed and processed plants but also made flour
43-41,000 years ago. Starch grains attributable to
Triticeae on Protoaurignacian grindstones at both sites
testify that Sapiens were processing wild cereals at
least 41,500-36,500 years ago when they expanded into
Eurasia, long before the dawn of agriculture. These new
data suggest a profound knowledge of available plant
resources in both human groups.

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Yes, "agriculture" (Hs, not Hn) may well have been earlier than usu.thought:

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New evidence of plant food processing in Italy before 40ka
May 2023 - Abstract
Evidence of plant food processing is a significant
indicator of the human ability to exploit environmental
resources. The recovery of starch grains associated
with use-wear on Palaeolithic grinding tools offers
proof of a specific technology for making flour among
Pleistocene hunter-gatherers. Here we present the
analysis of five grindstones from two Italian sites,
Riparo Bombrini and Grotta di Castelcivita, both
inhabited during a crucial phase spanning the decline
of the Neanderthals and the establishment of Sapiens.
The recovery of starch grains on a Mousterian grindstone
at Bombrini suggests that the last Neanderthals not only
consumed and processed plants but also made flour
43-41,000 years ago. Starch grains attributable to
Triticeae on Protoaurignacian grindstones at both sites
testify that Sapiens were processing wild cereals at
least 41,500-36,500 years ago when they expanded into
Eurasia, long before the dawn of agriculture. These new
data suggest a profound knowledge of available plant
resources in both human groups.

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I can try telling you, but we both know you, um, your "Condition" cannot
allow discussion, however...

It's too new. Cro Magnon was on the scene, and we don't have real
science, real journalism anymore.

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.abj9496

Same problem with the lack of actual science and journalism, I know,
but it does illustrate the fact that your claims are inconsistent with
other claims.





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JTEM is so reasonable wrote:

I can try telling you, but we both know you, um, your "Condition" cannot allow discussion, however...

It's too new. Cro Magnon was on the scene, and we don't have real
science, real journalism anymore.

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/sciadv.abj9496

Same problem with the lack of actual science and journalism, I know,
but it does illustrate the fact that your claims are inconsistent with
other claims.

Your condition prevents you from knowing the difference
between France and Italy.

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

Your

We'll back it up because you missed it:

It's too new. You say "Neanderthals" but Cro Magnon was already on
the scene, and had been for a very long time. It's unlikely that any
true Neanderthals existed then, if they ever had. They would have
been all hybrids at best.





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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/725671997341925376

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