• 300KY Old Throwing Stick Unveils Early Humans as Skilled Woodworkers an

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 20 22:59:32 2023
    https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/44969/20230720/300-000-year-old-throwing-stick-unveils-early-humans-skilled.htm

    A 300,000-year-old wooden throwing stick discovered
    in Germany has been subjected to cutting-edge
    examination, revealing the remarkable woodworking
    capabilities of early humans. The Schöningen spears,
    the earliest weapons ever recovered, reveal impressive
    details about early humans' behavior and carpentry
    skills.

    Early humans demonstrated impressive planning abilities,
    extensive knowledge of wood properties, and
    sophisticated woodworking skills that continue to be
    valuable today.

    The lightweight nature of throwing sticks likely made
    them easier to handle and launch than heavier spears,
    making them accessible to the entire community,
    including young individuals learning to hunt.

    Dirk Leder, a co-author of the study, explained that
    the Schöningen humans crafted this aerodynamic and
    ergonomic tool from a spruce branch, undergoing
    multiple steps of woodworking, such as cutting,
    stripping bark, carving an aerodynamic shape,
    scraping the surface, seasoning to prevent cracking
    and warping, and sanding for improved handling. These
    findings shed light on the resourcefulness and
    ingenuity of early humans in crafting effective
    hunting tools.

    The discovery of lightweight weaponry suggests that
    early human group hunts may have involved the active
    participation of the entire community, including
    children, as these throwing sticks were more
    accessible to handle and launch.

    As per Ancient Origins, children in hunter-gatherer
    societies were often provided with scaled-down
    versions of adult weapons for pretend play or to
    engage them in the hunting process.

    Among the tools discovered in Schöningen, including
    the famous Schöningen spears, is a 77cm-long
    double-pointed throwing stick. This throwing stick
    likely served as a hunting tool for capturing
    medium-sized game, such as red and roe deer, and
    fast-moving small prey like hare and birds.

    The rotational launch, similar to boomerangs, allowed
    these lightweight throwing sticks to achieve high
    velocities and deliver powerful and lethal impacts,
    reaching distances of up to 30 meters.
    ...


    The paper is here

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0287719

    A double-pointed wooden throwing stick from Schöningen,
    Germany: Results and new insights from a multianalytical
    study
    Published: July 19, 2023


    Abstract
    The site of Schöningen (Germany), dated to ca. 300,000
    years ago, yielded the earliest large-scale record of
    humanly-made wooden tools. These include wooden spears
    and shorter double-pointed sticks, discovered in
    association with herbivores that were hunted and
    butchered along a lakeshore. Wooden tools have not been
    systematically analysed to the same standard as other
    Palaeolithic technologies, such as lithic or bone tools.
    Our multianalytical study includes micro-CT scanning,
    3-dimensional microscopy, and Fourier transform infrared
    spectroscopy, supporting a systematic technological and
    taphonomic analysis, thus setting a new standard for
    wooden tool analysis. In illustrating the biography of
    one of Schöningen’s double-pointed sticks, we demonstrate
    new human behaviours for this time period, including
    sophisticated woodworking techniques. The hominins
    selected a spruce branch which they then debarked and
    shaped into an aerodynamic and ergonomic tool. They likely
    seasoned the wood to avoid cracking and warping. After a
    long period of use, it was probably lost while hunting,
    and was then rapidly buried in mud. Taphonomic alterations
    include damage from trampling, fungal attack, root damage
    and compression. Through our detailed analysis we show
    that Middle Pleistocene humans had a rich awareness of
    raw material properties, and possessed sophisticated
    woodworking skills. Alongside new detailed morphometrics
    of the object, an ethnographic review supports a primary
    function as a throwing stick for hunting, indicating
    potential hunting strategies and social contexts including
    for communal hunts involving children. The Schöningen
    throwing sticks may have been used to strategically
    disadvantage larger ungulates, potentially from distances
    of up to 30 metres. They also demonstrate that the hominins
    were technologically capable of capturing smaller fast prey
    and avian fauna, a behaviour evidenced at contemporaneous
    Middle Pleistocene archaeological sites.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Jul 21 00:55:49 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    The lightweight nature of throwing sticks likely made
    them easier to handle and launch than heavier spears,
    making them accessible to the entire community,
    including young individuals learning to hunt.

    Doesn't really matter, does it?

    They had to learn to hunt. Period. The throwing stick was
    in all probability used primarily for birds, maybe very
    small animals like rabbits.

    A throwing stick has a larger surface area than you plain
    old rock, making it more likely that you'd connect with
    prey. So that's the beauty: Moving up in size without
    moving up in weight...

    FORTUNATELY the throwing stick remained in use for a
    very, Very, VERY long time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwing_stick

    Yes, the ancient Egyptians left us a visual record of
    hunting with the throwing stick, and not just the
    physical sticks...

    The discovery of lightweight weaponry suggests that
    early human group hunts may have involved the active
    participation of the entire community, including
    children, as these throwing sticks were more
    accessible to handle and launch.

    It had more to do with their function; WHAT they were
    hunting with them. Throw one of these at a Moose,
    for example, and there is a likelihood greater than zero
    that the Moose will kill you.

    Birds? not so much. You just have to injure it and you've
    got some dinner.

    As per Ancient Origins, children in hunter-gatherer
    societies were often provided with scaled-down
    versions of adult weapons for pretend play or to
    engage them in the hunting process.

    I'd like to see some cites.

    Among the tools discovered in Schöningen, including
    the famous Schöningen spears, is a 77cm-long
    double-pointed throwing stick. This throwing stick
    likely served as a hunting tool for capturing
    medium-sized game, such as red and roe deer, and
    fast-moving small prey like hare and birds.

    I seriously doubt that.

    The rotational launch, similar to boomerangs, allowed
    these lightweight throwing sticks to achieve high
    velocities and deliver powerful and lethal impacts,
    reaching distances of up to 30 meters.

    I seriously doubt that.

    https://youtu.be/4qVM9wLpqlk

    You can dodge an arrow at 30 yards.

    No, these things would have been best for waterfowl, such
    as the Egyptians let us a record of. Why? Cus birds like to
    flock so missing one still presents a chance at hitting
    another.

    Also, a duck's mode of escape is flight. Injure it's wing so
    it can't fly and you've caught it. Anything less than crippling
    a mammal from 30 yards away and chances are it's
    escaping.

    So close range against something like a squirrel or a rabbit,
    but birds would be the optimum target.

    A double-pointed wooden throwing stick from Schöningen,
    Germany: Results and new insights from a multianalytical
    study

    And not to get anal but "Throwing Stick" is an interpretation,
    not a fact. Nobody has seen Heidelberg Man actually employ
    these things in a hunt.

    MY FAVORITE weapon of wild speculation is the macuahuitl.

    It seems well within the capabilities of Neanderthals and even
    more archaic humans, and it would be unlikely for us to find
    anything remaining except for the blades, and we do find
    such blades.






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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 07:17:16 2023
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0287719
    A double-pointed wooden throwing stick from Schöningen,
    Germany: Results and new insights from a multianalytical
    study July 19, 2023 Abstract
    The site of Schöningen (Germany), dated to ca. 300,000
    years ago, yielded the earliest large-scale record of
    humanly-made wooden tools. These include wooden spears
    and shorter double-pointed sticks, discovered in
    association with herbivores that were hunted and
    butchered along a lakeshore. Wooden tools have not been
    systematically analysed to the same standard as other
    Palaeolithic technologies, such as lithic or bone tools.
    Our multianalytical study includes micro-CT scanning,
    3-dimensional microscopy, and Fourier transform infrared
    spectroscopy, supporting a systematic technological and
    taphonomic analysis, thus setting a new standard for
    wooden tool analysis. In illustrating the biography of
    one of Schöningen’s double-pointed sticks, we demonstrate
    new human behaviours for this time period, including
    sophisticated woodworking techniques. The hominins
    selected a spruce branch which they then debarked and
    shaped into an aerodynamic and ergonomic tool. They likely
    seasoned the wood to avoid cracking and warping. After a
    long period of use, it was probably lost while hunting,
    and was then rapidly buried in mud. Taphonomic alterations
    include damage from trampling, fungal attack, root damage
    and compression. Through our detailed analysis we show
    that Middle Pleistocene humans had a rich awareness of
    raw material properties, and possessed sophisticated
    woodworking skills. Alongside new detailed morphometrics
    of the object, an ethnographic review supports a primary
    function as a throwing stick for hunting, indicating
    potential hunting strategies and social contexts including
    for communal hunts involving children. The Schöningen
    throwing sticks may have been used to strategically
    disadvantage larger ungulates, potentially from distances
    of up to 30 metres. They also demonstrate that the hominins
    were technologically capable of capturing smaller fast prey
    and avian fauna, a behaviour evidenced at contemporaneous
    Middle Pleistocene archaeological sites.

    Yes, thanks: fossilized in lake sediments (with cyper grasses, lake mussels, ducks, swan, crane...), possibly over many years (M.Stahlschmidt 2012, 2013).
    The sticks were probably for hunting large or small mammals, aquatic or other birds or fishing?
    From my 2022 book p.222-223 "De evolutie van de mens - waarom wij rechtop lopen en kunnen spreken" Acad.Uitg. Eburon Utrecht NL:
    "Die latere erectus-achtigen waren technisch al gevorderd. In Schöningen 13 II-4 bij Hannover (400–300 ka) lagen in een ven, bij ‘kamp- of haardvuren’ zei Hartmut Thieme, zeker 15 paardenkadavers, 8 ‘mooi-uitgebalanceerde werpspiesen’ van
    taxus, een kort ‘steekwapen’ met beiderzijds scherpe punten, stenen werktuigen, en 3 zilversparren heften. Maar Mareike Stahlschmidt zegt: er was geen slachtpartij, er waren geen haard-vuren, alles was natuurlijk, ook de brandsporen, gespreid over
    jaren, afgezet in open water: een meer (lake) met cypergrassen, vijvermossels (Anodonta anatina), eend (duck), zwaan en kraanvogel. En volgens Nicholas Conard was het ‘steekwapen’ een werpstok waarmee je al wadend eenden, zwanen, misschien zelfs
    vissen kon doden. In de bruinkoolmijn lagen resten van onder meer hond en vos, olifant, bosneushoorn, hert, paard, oeros, gewone en reuzenbevers (beaver), water- en andere mollen en spitsmuizen, amfibieën, reptielen, kevers, slakken en mossels, den,
    spar en els. Paalgaten van paalhutten zijn er niet gevonden, emailde mij Jordi Serangeli: kenden ze al rietvlotten, veel veel primitiever dan bij moeras-arabieren?"

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 07:20:21 2023
    Op vrijdag 21 juli 2023 om 09:55:51 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

    kudu runner:
    The lightweight nature of throwing sticks likely made
    them easier to handle and launch than heavier spears,
    making them accessible to the entire community,
    including young individuals learning to hunt.

    At least equally likely: hunting ducks or fish... see my other comment.

    Doesn't really matter, does it?

    They had to learn to hunt. Period. The throwing stick was
    in all probability used primarily for birds, maybe very
    small animals like rabbits.

    A throwing stick has a larger surface area than you plain
    old rock, making it more likely that you'd connect with
    prey. So that's the beauty: Moving up in size without
    moving up in weight...

    FORTUNATELY the throwing stick remained in use for a
    very, Very, VERY long time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwing_stick

    Yes, the ancient Egyptians left us a visual record of
    hunting with the throwing stick, and not just the
    physical sticks...
    The discovery of lightweight weaponry suggests that
    early human group hunts may have involved the active
    participation of the entire community, including
    children, as these throwing sticks were more
    accessible to handle and launch.
    It had more to do with their function; WHAT they were
    hunting with them. Throw one of these at a Moose,
    for example, and there is a likelihood greater than zero
    that the Moose will kill you.

    Birds? not so much. You just have to injure it and you've
    got some dinner.
    As per Ancient Origins, children in hunter-gatherer
    societies were often provided with scaled-down
    versions of adult weapons for pretend play or to
    engage them in the hunting process.
    I'd like to see some cites.
    Among the tools discovered in Schöningen, including
    the famous Schöningen spears, is a 77cm-long
    double-pointed throwing stick. This throwing stick
    likely served as a hunting tool for capturing
    medium-sized game, such as red and roe deer, and
    fast-moving small prey like hare and birds.
    I seriously doubt that.
    The rotational launch, similar to boomerangs, allowed
    these lightweight throwing sticks to achieve high
    velocities and deliver powerful and lethal impacts,
    reaching distances of up to 30 meters.
    I seriously doubt that.

    https://youtu.be/4qVM9wLpqlk

    You can dodge an arrow at 30 yards.

    No, these things would have been best for waterfowl, such
    as the Egyptians let us a record of. Why? Cus birds like to
    flock so missing one still presents a chance at hitting
    another.

    Also, a duck's mode of escape is flight. Injure it's wing so
    it can't fly and you've caught it. Anything less than crippling
    a mammal from 30 yards away and chances are it's
    escaping.

    So close range against something like a squirrel or a rabbit,
    but birds would be the optimum target.
    A double-pointed wooden throwing stick from Schöningen,
    Germany: Results and new insights from a multianalytical
    study
    And not to get anal but "Throwing Stick" is an interpretation,
    not a fact. Nobody has seen Heidelberg Man actually employ
    these things in a hunt.

    MY FAVORITE weapon of wild speculation is the macuahuitl.

    It seems well within the capabilities of Neanderthals and even
    more archaic humans, and it would be unlikely for us to find
    anything remaining except for the blades, and we do find
    such blades.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Fri Jul 21 10:17:32 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    At least equally likely: hunting ducks or fish... see my other comment.

    I thought the spears may have been for fishing.

    They are associated with water, are they not?

    "Spear fishing."

    But I honestly don't know. Most of this stuff is unknown and unknowable,
    absent the invention of a time machine.

    But if you really, really wanted to escape from me. We're talking a
    situation where all your instincts were pushing your buddy to get the
    &$%# away from me. I could throw a baseball bat at you, and hit you,
    and more often than not you'd get away. Would it hurt? Yes. Would
    it damage you so much you could not escape? Unlikely.








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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 1 22:40:02 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0287719
    A double-pointed wooden throwing stick from Schöningen,
    Germany: Results and new insights from a multianalytical
    study July 19, 2023 Abstract
    The site of Schöningen (Germany), dated to ca. 300,000
    years ago, yielded the earliest large-scale record of
    humanly-made wooden tools. These include wooden spears
    and shorter double-pointed sticks, discovered in
    association with herbivores that were hunted and
    butchered along a lakeshore. Wooden tools have not been
    systematically analysed to the same standard as other
    Palaeolithic technologies, such as lithic or bone tools.
    Our multianalytical study includes micro-CT scanning,
    3-dimensional microscopy, and Fourier transform infrared
    spectroscopy, supporting a systematic technological and
    taphonomic analysis, thus setting a new standard for
    wooden tool analysis. In illustrating the biography of
    one of Schöningen’s double-pointed sticks, we demonstrate
    new human behaviours for this time period, including
    sophisticated woodworking techniques. The hominins
    selected a spruce branch which they then debarked and
    shaped into an aerodynamic and ergonomic tool. They likely
    seasoned the wood to avoid cracking and warping. After a
    long period of use, it was probably lost while hunting,
    and was then rapidly buried in mud. Taphonomic alterations
    include damage from trampling, fungal attack, root damage
    and compression. Through our detailed analysis we show
    that Middle Pleistocene humans had a rich awareness of
    raw material properties, and possessed sophisticated
    woodworking skills. Alongside new detailed morphometrics
    of the object, an ethnographic review supports a primary
    function as a throwing stick for hunting, indicating
    potential hunting strategies and social contexts including
    for communal hunts involving children. The Schöningen
    throwing sticks may have been used to strategically
    disadvantage larger ungulates, potentially from distances
    of up to 30 metres. They also demonstrate that the hominins
    were technologically capable of capturing smaller fast prey
    and avian fauna, a behaviour evidenced at contemporaneous
    Middle Pleistocene archaeological sites.

    Yes, thanks: fossilized in lake sediments (with cyper grasses, lake mussels, ducks, swan, crane...), possibly over many years (M.Stahlschmidt 2012, 2013).
    The sticks were probably for hunting large or small mammals, aquatic or other birds or fishing?

    Did you bother to look at the paper?

    "Butchered animal remains are primarily from horse (Equus
    mosbachensis), but also include species such as red deer
    (Cervus elaphus), and bovids"

    "Ethnographically, throwing sticks were used in various
    scenarios including in interpersonal violence, to kill
    pests, in self-defence against dangerous animals
    including snakes, and for hunting birds, small mammals,
    marsupials, and larger herbivores including duiker,
    reindeer and kangaroo"

    As you can see, child, all you had to do follow the link.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Tue Aug 1 22:41:17 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    But I honestly don't know.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Wed Aug 2 18:43:19 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Did you bother to look at the paper?

    Lol! The irony!

    You have never once read much less grasped a single "Cite" you made
    the mistake of posting!

    "Ethnographically, throwing sticks were used in various
    scenarios including in interpersonal violence, to kill
    pests, in self-defence against dangerous animals
    including snakes, and for hunting birds, small mammals,
    marsupials, and larger herbivores including duiker,
    reindeer and kangaroo"

    Throwing sticks are next to useless against anything other
    than small game, like a rabbit. They're best used against
    birds.

    Check this guy out. And, please, I beg you; hold your breath until
    he catches something!

    https://youtu.be/LHunBoChHho

    That's a boomerang, which is a good deal more refined than
    most throwing sticks,.

    Show us some videos of people hunting with a throwing stick.




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 2 18:44:14 2023
    OCPD isn't an argument. You're a moron who religiously believes any cite it
    can cherry pick, so long as you can misunderstand it to be supporting you
    or attackng someone else.




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 12 20:59:27 2023
    OCPD, Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [...]

    You're severely mentally ill, not to mention stupid, so let me
    try this. It won't work but I'll have a lot of fun laughing at you.

    https://wallabyboomerangs.com/en/pages/lhistoire-du-boomerang

    : Aboriginal peoples used it to lure prey. A boomerang was thrown
    : above a flock of birds to simulate a hawk. The birds would fly
    : low to avoid this threat

    So the boomerang, which is a tad more advanced than a throwing
    stick, isn't even necessarily used to kill/disable prey. No, it's better
    used to simulate a hawk, to make the birds easier to kill/catch by
    other means...

    I mean, it's not like I hadn't cited videos of a years-practiced aussie
    failing miserably at so much as bruising anything with a Boomerange,
    so you couldn't be expected to pull your head out of your butt and
    say something one-topic & reasonably intelligent.




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