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    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 8 09:11:20 2023
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    The exploitation of mid- and large-sized herbivores (ungulates) was central to hominin subsistence across Late Pleistocene Europe. Reconstructing the paleoecology of prey-taxa is key to better understanding procurement strategies, decisions and behaviors,
    and the isotope analysis of faunal bones and teeth found at archaeological sites represent a powerful means of accessing information about past faunal behaviors. These isotope zooarchaeological approaches also have a near-unique ability to reveal
    environmental conditions contemporary to the human activities that produced these remains. Here, we present the results of a multi-isotope, multitissue study of ungulate remains from the Middle Paleolithic site of Abri du Maras, southern France,
    providing new insights into the living landscapes of the Rhône Valley during MIS 3 (level 4.2=55±2 to 42±3ka; level 4.1=46±3 to 40±3ka). Isotope data (carbon, nitrogen) reveal the dietary niches of different ungulate taxa, including the now-extinct
    giant deer (Megaloceros). Oxygen isotope data are consistent with a mild seasonal climate during level 4.2, where horse (Equus), bison (Bison), and red deer (Cervus elaphus) were exploited year-round. Strontium and sulfur isotope analyses provide new
    evidence for behavioral plasticity in Late Pleistocene European reindeer (Rangifer) between level 4.2 and level 4.1, indicating a change from the migratory to the sedentary ecotype. In level 4.1, the strong seasonal nature of reindeer exploitation,
    combined with their nonmigratory behavior, is consistent with a seasonally restricted use of the site by Neanderthals at that time or the preferential hunting of reindeer when in peak physical condition during the autumn.

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    Neandertals were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course: isotope analyses are not only super-carnivorous (you can't be more carnivorous than e.g. felids), but were perfectly between marine & freshwater foods: most likely (e.g. see my
    book), neandertals seasonally followed the rivers (+ salmon?) inland. This also best explains neandertal pachyosteosclerosis (shallow-diving), huge brain (DHA), large lungs, external nose + large paranasal air sinuses, more horizontal femoral necks (
    lateral leg movements), shorter tibias than H.sapiens, rel.long first & 5th digital rays of hands and feet, etc. IOW, this paper beautifully confirms our view of neandertals seasonally following the rivers inland. Google e.g. "gondwanatalks verhaegen".
    :-)

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 23:13:02 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    Posted here last December.

    Here's the link AND the *real* abstract

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724842200152X

    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras: The paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal
    subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3.

    Abstract

    The exploitation of mid- and large-sized herbivores (ungulates) was
    central to hominin subsistence across Late Pleistocene Europe.
    Reconstructing the paleoecology of prey-taxa is key to better
    understanding procurement strategies, decisions and behaviors, and the
    isotope analysis of faunal bones and teeth found at archaeological
    sites represent a powerful means of accessing information about past
    faunal behaviors. These isotope zooarchaeological approaches also have
    a near-unique ability to reveal environmental conditions contemporary
    to the human activities that produced these remains. Here, we present
    the results of a multi-isotope, multitissue study of ungulate remains
    from the Middle Paleolithic site of Abri du Maras, southern France,
    providing new insights into the living landscapes of the Rhône Valley
    during MIS 3 (level 4.2 = 55 +/- 2 to 42 ± 3 ka; level 4.1 = 46 +/- 3
    to 40 +/- 3 ka). Isotope data (carbon, nitrogen) reveal the dietary
    niches of different ungulate taxa, including the now-extinct giant
    deer (Megaloceros). Oxygen isotope data are consistent with a mild
    seasonal climate during level 4.2, where horse (Equus), bison (Bison),
    and red deer (Cervus elaphus) were exploited year-round. Strontium and
    sulfur isotope analyses provide new evidence for behavioral plasticity
    in Late Pleistocene European reindeer (Rangifer) between level 4.2 and
    level 4.1, indicating a change from the migratory to the sedentary
    ecotype. In level 4.1, the strong seasonal nature of reindeer
    exploitation, combined with their nonmigratory behavior, is consistent
    with a seasonally restricted use of the site by Neanderthals at that
    time or the preferential hunting of reindeer when in peak physical
    condition during the autumn.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 23 07:42:26 2023
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    somebody:
    Here's the link AND the *real* abstract https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724842200152X

    Yes, the Rhône! :-)
    Hn might have scavenged or hunted ungulate herds sometimes (Hn smarter than Hs?),
    Hn were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course
    (only retarded afro+anthropocentrically biased people still believe this nonsense):
    Hn isotope analyses were not only *super*carnivorous (but you can't be more carnivorous than e.g. felids):
    the isotopes were perfectly halfway marine & freshwater foods:
    most likely (e.g. see my book), Hn seasonally followed the rivers (+ salmon??) inland.
    This also easily explains in Hn e.g.
    - ear exostoses (cold water irrigation),
    - pachyo-steo-sclerosis (shallow-diving),
    - huge brain (DHA),
    - platycephaly & foramen a bit more dorsally on the skull base,
    - large lungs >Hs,
    - big external nose (piriform aperture++) + large paranasal air sinuses,
    - flating ilia + more horizontal femoral necks (lateral leg movements),
    - shorter tibias <Hs,
    - rel.long first & 5th digital rays of hands & feet >Hs, etc.

    IOW, this paper beautifully confirms our view of Hn seasonally following the Rhône inland (or the Meuse, or Rhine->Neander...)
    Google e.g. "gondwanatalks verhaegen". :-)

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sat Jul 1 22:38:51 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    somebody:
    Here's the link AND the *real* abstract
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724842200152X

    Yes, the Rhône! :-)
    Hn might have scavenged or hunted ungulate herds sometimes (Hn smarter than Hs?),
    Hn were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course

    You have zero evidence of that. Pure just so story on your part.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 2 07:55:26 2023
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    somebody:
    Here's the link AND the *real* abstract
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724842200152X

    Yes, the Rhône! :-)
    Hn might have scavenged or hunted ungulate herds sometimes (Hn smarter than Hs?),
    Hn were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course

    kudu runner:
    You have zero evidence of that. Pure just so story on your part.

    Is there somebody here more stupid than this idiot who calls himself "primum sapienti"?? :-DDD

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 1 22:20:08 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    somebody:
    Here's the link AND the *real* abstract
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724842200152X

    Yes, the Rhône! :-)
    Hn might have scavenged or hunted ungulate herds sometimes (Hn smarter than Hs?),
    Hn were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course

    kudu runner:
    You have zero evidence of that. Pure just so story on your part.

    Is there somebody here more stupid than this idiot who calls himself "primum sapienti"?? :-DDD


    You think they wore fish skins in winter? Moving into regions with more
    varied seasons - like winter - required means (technology, that is) to
    deal with it. With something like a tribal group, scavenging would
    be inadequate and systematic hunting would be needed.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Wed Aug 2 16:43:17 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You think

    Yes he does. And that clearly upsets you.





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 02:40:25 2023
    Multi-isotope zooarchaeological investigations at Abri du Maras:
    the paleoecological and paleoenvironmental context of Neanderthal subsistence strategies in the Rhône Valley during MIS 3
    Kate Britton cs 2023 J.hum.Evol.174, 103292

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004724842200152X

    Yes, the Rhône! :-)
    Hn might have scavenged or hunted ungulate herds sometimes (Hn smarter than Hs?),

    Why did Hn have larger brains than Hs?
    -larger body? (shorter legs but deeper & broader body)
    -still more aquatic? (pachyosteosclerosis He>Hn>Hs)
    -more varied lifestyle than Hs? seasonally following the Rhine etc. inland?? -did Hn already speak?? use fire?? ...??

    Hn were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course
    (only retarded afro+anthropocentrically biased people still believe this nonsense):
    Hn isotope analyses were not only *super*carnivorous (but you can't be more carnivorous than e.g. felids):
    the isotopes were perfectly halfway marine & freshwater foods:
    most likely (e.g. see my book), Hn seasonally followed the rivers (+ salmon??) inland.
    This also easily explains in Hn e.g.
    - ear exostoses (cold water irrigation),
    - pachyo-steo-sclerosis (shallow-diving),
    - huge brain (DHA),
    - platycephaly & foramen a bit more dorsally on the skull base,
    - large lungs >Hs,
    - big external nose (piriform aperture++) + large paranasal air sinuses,
    - flating ilia + more horizontal femoral necks (lateral leg movements),
    - shorter tibias <Hs,
    - rel.long first & 5th digital rays of hands & feet >Hs, etc.

    Sorry, "flating ilia" should be "flaring ilia" (iliac blades), of course: lateral leg movements (= NOT for running, of course, as some retarded kudu-runners still believe).

    IOW, this paper beautifully confirms our view of Hn seasonally following the Rhône inland (or the Meuse, or Rhine->Neander...)
    Google e.g. "gondwanatalks verhaegen".
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    :-)

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Fri Aug 11 22:35:14 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You think

    Yes

    Thank you!

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 02:02:49 2023
    Op zaterdag 12 augustus 2023 om 06:35:16 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You think

    Yes

    Thank you!

    Thank you: this is what you snipped:

    Yes, the Rhône! :-)
    Hn might have scavenged or hunted ungulate herds sometimes (Hn smarter than Hs?),

    Why did Hn have larger brains than Hs?
    -larger body? (shorter legs but deeper & broader body)
    -still more aquatic? (pachyosteosclerosis He>Hn>Hs)
    -more varied lifestyle than Hs? seasonally following the Rhine etc. inland?? -did Hn already speak? use fire? ...??

    Hn were no systematic hunters of terrestrial herbivores, of course
    (only retarded afro+anthropocentrically biased people still believe this nonsense):
    Hn isotope analyses were not only *super*carnivorous (but you can't be more carnivorous than e.g. felids):
    the isotopes were perfectly halfway marine & freshwater foods:
    most likely (e.g. see my book), Hn seasonally followed the rivers (+ salmon??) inland.
    This also easily explains in Hn e.g.
    - ear exostoses (cold water irrigation),
    - pachyo-steo-sclerosis (shallow-diving),
    - huge brain (DHA),
    - platycephaly & foramen a bit more dorsally on the skull base,
    - large lungs >Hs,
    - big external nose (piriform aperture++) + large paranasal air sinuses,
    - flating ilia + more horizontal femoral necks (lateral leg movements),
    - shorter tibias <Hs,
    - rel.long first & 5th digital rays of hands & feet >Hs, etc.

    Sorry, "flating ilia" should be "flaring ilia" (iliac blades), of course: lateral leg movements (= NOT for running, of course, as some retarded kudu-runners still believe).

    IOW, this paper beautifully confirms our view of Hn seasonally following the Rhône inland (or the Meuse, or Rhine->Neander...)
    Google e.g. "gondwanatalks verhaegen".
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    :-)

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 22:26:48 2023
    OCPD, Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [...]

    When you have nothing to say, and you usually don't, it would be
    best for you if you said nothing.

    One thing you might want to consider, speaking rhetorically here,
    is that we so called moderns aren't descended from Neanderthals,
    we're descended from SOME neanderthals. And the Neanderthals
    we are descended from would overwhelming be those exploiting
    marine resources.

    Yes, because of the glacial cycle, because of the periodic
    catastrophes such as Super Volcanoes...

    I mean, you savanna idiots are trained to look at the here and now,
    compare the past to this moment. And that's stupid.

    Did you know that there has been not one VEI-8 eruption during the
    whole of the Holocene, AND that this is unusual? Earth's history
    tells us that they should be more frequent than we've seen!

    Well the Holocene is popularly dated back only about 12k years
    ago. So, the fact is that if Neanderthals were around for some
    120k years then they should have seen AT LEAST 10 VEI8 super
    volcanoes, all causing very sudden and very catastrophic earth
    changes. And the ones best suited to survive were the ones
    exploiting marine resources, yes, and the ones furthest south,
    along the mediterranean, into the Levant, maybe North Africa...

    Oops, sorry, I'm discussing models here, REAL WORLD MODELS,
    and how Aquatic Ape fits in. You prefer the simplicity of
    regurgitating the headlines of stories you never read, much less
    were capable of understanding, as you parrot the status quo.




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