• Burials and engravings by Homo naledi

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 15:44:37 2023
    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications

    Abstract

    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin. The hominin undertaking these behaviors was the
    small-brained Homo naledi. These data call into question several key assumptions about behavioral and cognitive evolution in Pleistocene
    hominins. The evidence from Dinaledi push back the temporal origins of
    mortuary and funerary behaviors and associate the creation of meaning
    making with a small-brained species and thus challenge key assumptions
    about the role and importance of encephalization in human evolution.
    This suggests that the hominin socio-cognitive niche and its relation
    to meaning-making activities is more diverse than previously thought.
    The association of these activities in subterranean spaces accessed
    and modified by the small brained species Homo naledi impacts
    assertations that technological and cognitive advances in human
    evolution are associated solely with the evolution of larger brains.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.01.543135v1

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.01.543127v1

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.06.01.543133v1

    That doesn't sound like Pan.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 6 07:41:28 2023
    kudu runner:
    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    Already caught your kudu, my boy?
    Grow up!
    Anthropocentric fantasies:
    from my book:
    Berger zag op neandertal-botten letsels zoals bij "rodeo riders" (nonsens), aan Taung’s oogkassen krassen van arendsklauwen (mogelijk?), en in naledi's knokenhoop "deliberate burial" (nonsens). De naledi-fossielen zaten in "orange mud-clasts embedded
    in a brown muddy matrix" (oranje = vers slijk, bruin = geoxideerd). Steven Tucker, de speleoloog die met Nick Hunter naledi ontdekte, zei dat de onderkaak uit de breccia in de bovenwand van de grot was gevallen (largely unconsolidated mud-clast breccia).
    Ook afarensis lag soms fossiel verzameld (AL-333 'First Family'), eerst dacht men bijeengespoeld in een vloedgolf, nu denkt men over vele jaren: bv. door trage bodemstroming in papyrusmoerassen? Zelfs Atapuerca's knokenput (Bartsiokas 2020) van pre-
    neandertalers was een natuurlijke ophoping (H.antecessor in Sima de los Huesos), evenals de neandertalers in de Noord-Spaanse grotten Cueva del Sidrón en El Pendo. Ook de iguanodons van Bernissart (paleontologen J.-P.van Beneden en Ludovicus Depauw, zie
    Cordier 2017) begroeven elkaar niet. :-D

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Tue Jun 6 14:05:37 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    Burials and engravings

    Yeah. Now they eulogized their dead... wrote epithets..

    Wake me for the hang gliders!




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  • From James McGinn@21:1/5 to Pandora on Wed Jun 7 07:34:39 2023
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:44:37 AM UTC-7, Pandora wrote:
    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications

    Abstract

    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin.

    I think Lee Berger is trying to force a square peg into a round hole on this one. He refers to this as, "data." Clearly it is an interpretation of data. Aspects of this data are consistent with mortuary practices but other aspects are not.

    A better interpretation, in my opinion, starts with realization that hominid communities often found themselves under siege during the depth of the dry season. Accordingly, the fossils found would have entered the caves in a state of extreme
    desperation as the rest of their community was massacred then they either couldn't get out or died of thirst waiting for the predators to leave the area.
    Claudius Denk / Humane Revolution
    How Hominids Actually Evolved:
    https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0

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  • From Solving Tornadoes@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Wed Jun 7 07:41:50 2023
    On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 7:41:30 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    kudu runner:
    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    Already caught your kudu, my boy?

    Marc,
    There is no mention of Kudu in any of this, you ignorant ass.

    CD

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to James McGinn on Thu Jun 8 04:25:43 2023
    James McGinn wrote:


    I think Lee Berger is trying to force a square peg into a round hole on this one.

    Lol! "One."

    This "One" is the problem... this "One" claim...




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Solving Tornadoes on Thu Jun 8 04:27:56 2023
    Solving Tornadoes wrote:

    Marc,
    There is no mention of Kudu in any of this, you ignorant ass.

    Speaking of ignorant asses: They do claim that Naledi dragged
    antelope into the caverns, and cooked them. I suppose you
    "Argue" that they snagged them with machine guns...






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  • From James McGinn@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Thu Jun 8 08:36:34 2023
    On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:27:58 AM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Solving Tornadoes wrote:

    Marc,
    There is no mention of Kudu in any of this, you ignorant ass.
    Speaking of ignorant asses: They do claim that Naledi dragged
    antelope into the caverns, and cooked them.

    Nobody can trust anything you vague nitwits state. Provide a reference, nitwit.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to James McGinn on Thu Jun 8 10:59:59 2023
    James McGinn wrote:

    Nobody can trust anything you vague nitwits state. Provide a reference, nitwit.

    I've posted two. If they escaped your illness both times, what
    are the chances of you paying attention on the third?

    The first cite was Lee Berger himself.

    The second cite was a talk given by this little known man by
    the name of John Hawks.



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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Fri Jun 9 14:27:02 2023
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    from my book:
    Berger zag op neandertal-botten letsels zoals bij "rodeo riders" (nonsens), >aan Taung’s oogkassen krassen van arendsklauwen (mogelijk?)

    That's not even the same person.
    Thomas D. Berger: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0305440395900136

    Lee R. Berger:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20415

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 09:02:25 2023
    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 14:27:04 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littor...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    from my book:
    Berger zag op neandertal-botten letsels zoals bij "rodeo riders" (nonsens), >aan Taung’s oogkassen krassen van arendsklauwen (mogelijk?)

    That's not even the same person.

    Of course not, my little boy. Why did you think that?? :-D

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Fri Jun 9 18:36:28 2023
    On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 14:27:04 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com"
    <littor...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from
    the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making
    by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    from my book:
    Berger zag op neandertal-botten letsels zoals bij "rodeo riders" (nonsens), >> >aan Taung’s oogkassen krassen van arendsklauwen (mogelijk?)

    That's not even the same person.

    Of course not, my little boy. Why did you think that?? :-D

    Because you mention it in one and the same sentence, implying that the
    person who did the research on Neanderthal trauma (which you consider
    nonsense) is the same as the one who did the research on the Taung
    trauma.
    You're sole purpose was to discredit the person, Lee Berger, by
    linking him to the "nonsense", but you made a mistake.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 11:07:52 2023
    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 18:36:30 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
    On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littor...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 14:27:04 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com"
    <littor...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from >> >> the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates
    one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and
    offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making >> >> by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    from my book:
    Berger zag op neandertal-botten letsels zoals bij "rodeo riders" (nonsens),
    aan Taung’s oogkassen krassen van arendsklauwen (mogelijk?)

    That's not even the same person.

    Of course not, my little boy. Why did you think that?? :-D
    Because you mention it in one and the same sentence, implying

    No, my boy!!
    Simply typical illustrations of Äs' anthropocentric biases.

    ______

    that the
    person who did the research on Neanderthal trauma (which you consider nonsense) is the same as the one who did the research on the Taung
    trauma.
    You're sole purpose was to discredit the person, Lee Berger, by
    linking him to the "nonsense", but you made a mistake.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 9 14:39:42 2023
    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 20:07:53 UTC+2 schreef littor...@gmail.com:
    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 18:36:30 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
    On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littor...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 om 14:27:04 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
    On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com"
    <littor...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Burials and engravings in a small-brained hominin, Homo naledi, from >> >> the late Pleistocene: contexts and evolutionary implications
    Data from recent explorations in the Dinaledi subsystem illustrates >> >> one of the earliest examples of a mortuary practice in hominins and >> >> offers the earliest evidence of multiple interments and funerary
    actions, as well as evidence of the early creation of meaning making >> >> by a hominin. ...

    :-DDD
    from my book:
    Berger zag op neandertal-botten letsels zoals bij "rodeo riders" (nonsens),
    aan Taung’s oogkassen krassen van arendsklauwen (mogelijk?)

    That's not even the same person.

    Of course not, my little boy. Why did you think that?? :-D
    Because you mention it in one and the same sentence, implying
    No, my boy!!
    Simply typical illustrations of Äs' anthropocentric biases.

    I'm very sorry, I should sometimes reread what I've written:
    should be: Simply typical illustrations of PAs' anthropocentric biases. PA=paleo-anthropologist or paleo-anthropology.

    ______
    that the
    person who did the research on Neanderthal trauma (which you consider nonsense) is the same as the one who did the research on the Taung
    trauma.
    You're sole purpose was to discredit the person, Lee Berger, by
    linking him to the "nonsense", but you made a mistake.

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