I'm reminded of this post of mine:

: So National Geographic absolutely ROTS as a cite but
: here's this:
:
: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science

: In the highly likely event you can't even read that one, here's
: another URL:
:
: https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-teeth-rewrite-human-history-9-7-million-year-old-mystery

I feel as if I need to point these things out to folks but the
finds support the argument that Apes evolved outside of
Africa.

As does this:

https://www.washington.edu/news/2005/03/01/retrovirus-struck-ancestors-of-chimpanzees-and-gorillas-millions-of-years-ago-but-did-not-affect-ancestral-humans/

One might believe that if the Apes, our ancestors, left Africa
for Eurasia then they would have brought this with them. But
if it happened the other way around then things would look
pretty much exactly as they do now.

NOTE: The dating here aligns with my idea for the LCA.

They say that this event happened 3 to 4 million years ago,
my kick-around date is like 3.7 million years for Homo/Pan
divergence.

(I could not be shocked by an even more recent date)

AND THEN there's Sahelanthropus tchadensis, found in
NORTHERN Chad, not "The Cradle of Humankind." In fact,
IT'S 2000 MILES AWAY!

And this kind of makes sense if the Apes were pushing
south... even if technically these things weren't Apes.

Not yet.

So there is a lot to what the good Doctor says. There's
a lot to investigate. I'm particularly intrigued by the
RetroVirus. He's mentioned more than once and I have
yet to see any serious discussions.






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My book p.299-300 "Plate tectonics & hominoid splittings?"
in short, hypothetically:
- India approached S-Eurasia 30?25 Ma -> fm of island archipels with coastal forests++,
Catarrhini reaching these islands became aquarboreal Hominoidea=Latisternalia: BP wading upright in swamp forests, climbing arms overhead in branches above the water:
very broad sternum-thorax-pelvis = lateral(!!) arm+leg movements, tail loss, less lumbar vertebras etc.
- India further underneath Asia split hylobatids (E) & gr.apes (W) c 20 Ma: Tethys Ocean coastal forests: Mesopotamian Seaway closure split pongids-sivapiths (E) & hominids-dryopiths (W),
- pongids along Ind.Ocean forced hylobatids in SE.Asia higher into the trees,
- hominids died out (Messinian Salinity Crisis? mega-flood? Tp--?...) except in incipient Red Sea: hominids HPG:
- northern Rift fm: Gorilla 8?7 Ma followed N-Rift->Afar->Ardip., Sahelanthr., Lucy afarensis->boisei etc.
- Red Sea opened into Gulf (Francesca Mansfield 5.33 Ma: Zanclean mega-flood?): -- Pliocene Homo went left -> S.Asia incl. Java etc. -> Pleist.H.erectus shellfish-diving++ = "coastal dispersal" -> rivers,
-- Pan went right -> E.Afr.coast -> incipient S-Rift -> africanus->robustus etc. bonobo & chimp // gorillas.

Obvious, no? :-)

Only *incredible* imbeciles believe their Plio- or Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes!

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Op zaterdag 1 april 2023 om 07:30:02 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

I'm reminded of this post of mine:

: So National Geographic absolutely ROTS as a cite but
: here's this:
:
: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/ancient-teeth-found-germany-dont-rewrite-human-history-science

: In the highly likely event you can't even read that one, here's
: another URL:
:
: https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-teeth-rewrite-human-history-9-7-million-year-old-mystery

I feel as if I need to point these things out to folks but the
finds support the argument that Apes evolved outside of
Africa.

As does this:

https://www.washington.edu/news/2005/03/01/retrovirus-struck-ancestors-of-chimpanzees-and-gorillas-millions-of-years-ago-but-did-not-affect-ancestral-humans/

One might believe that if the Apes, our ancestors, left Africa
for Eurasia then they would have brought this with them. But
if it happened the other way around then things would look
pretty much exactly as they do now.

NOTE: The dating here aligns with my idea for the LCA.

They say that this event happened 3 to 4 million years ago,
my kick-around date is like 3.7 million years for Homo/Pan
divergence.

(I could not be shocked by an even more recent date)

AND THEN there's Sahelanthropus tchadensis, found in
NORTHERN Chad, not "The Cradle of Humankind." In fact,
IT'S 2000 MILES AWAY!

And this kind of makes sense if the Apes were pushing
south... even if technically these things weren't Apes.

Not yet.

So there is a lot to what the good Doctor says. There's
a lot to investigate. I'm particularly intrigued by the
RetroVirus. He's mentioned more than once and I have
yet to see any serious discussions.

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