From francesca mansfield at a...@groups.io -generated from the legs & feet. Even the short, stumpy artificial fins seem to do a helluva job.
I fullyagree:
... have you ever noticed how much easier/faster it is to swim & dive if you’re wearing a pair of fins? They certainly seem to provide a lot of thrust. In fact, when swimming with fins, you barely need to use your arms. All the forward power is
I’ve always assumed that Flores’s big feet (& hands) must be indicative of swimming. Certainly not running. (Have you ever tried running in fins?) I guess evolution had to make a pay-off between feet large enough to provide thrust when swimming,and not so large that you fall over when you walk.
As we are less aquatic than we once were, our feet now are probably modified more towards walking (but not running, particularly: cursorial animals have very different feet, and we’re a bit pathetic without shoes of some kind).Or that they swam with the crocodiles.
:-) I coudn't have said it better!
Only incredible idiots believe their Pleist.ancestors ran after antelopes over savannas... :-D
Or that they swam with the crocodiles.
James McGinn wrote:
Or that they swam with the crocodiles.
using a helicopter, you can fly for *Days* on end, maybe weeks,
skimming the coast from southeast Africa to Australia without
spotting a single crocodile-free stretch of beach. That, or I found
another hole in your, um, your "Argument."
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712178904209702912
using a helicopter, you can fly for *Days* on end, maybe weeks,
skimming the coast from southeast Africa to Australia without
spotting a single crocodile-free stretch of beach. That, or I found
another hole in your, um, your "Argument." https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712178904209702912
False dichotomy.
Salt water crocodiles are a lot more dangerous to humans than most other kinds.
Once they see a beach where hominini congregate, you can expect hell to break loose,
and your aquarboreal hypothesis entails millions of years for even scarce salt water crocodiles
to make the connection.
On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 11:38:14 PM UTC-4, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
James McGinn wrote:
Or that they swam with the crocodiles.
using a helicopter, you can fly for *Days* on end, maybe weeks,
skimming the coast from southeast Africa to Australia without
spotting a single crocodile-free stretch of beach. That, or I found another hole in your, um, your "Argument." https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712178904209702912
False dichotomy.
Salt water crocodiles are a lot more dangerous to humans than most other kinds.
Once they see a beach where hominini congregate, you can expect hell to break loose,
and your aquarboreal hypothesis entails millions of years for even scarce salt water crocodiles
to make the connection.
I think there is a general misunderstanding about there having to have been some
odd event that would then initiate a cascade of evolutionary 'breakthroughs' to
arrive at humans (in accordance with natural selection).
Evolution doesn't work like that. Both the aquatic ape theories and the savannah
theories/hypotheses plunder down this line of this bad thinking.
The aquatic-apers (Marc V., etc.) never discuss intricacies of how their mode supposedly predicts humans (and not fish).
Claudius Denk wrote:
I think there is a general misunderstanding about there having to have been someThere was: Exploitation of marine resources.
odd event that would then initiate a cascade of evolutionary 'breakthroughs' to
arrive at humans (in accordance with natural selection).
Evolution doesn't work like that. Both the aquatic ape theories and the savannahWrong. "Savanna" idiocy doesn't even explain the savanna while Aquatic Ape fits
theories/hypotheses plunder down this line of this bad thinking.
the evidence, the observations.
The aquatic-apers (Marc V., etc.) never discuss intricacies of how their modeThat's a straw man. Why would a model of human evolution have to "Predict" fish?
supposedly predicts humans (and not fish).
It's a gross misunderstanding of evolution on your part! An organism is perfectly
happy to remain unchanged for eons... epochs! What you need to drive evolution
is the proverbial "Fish out of water."
You need that CHANGE to the environment, and even then evolution is unlikely.
The most likely outcome, by far, is extinction...
Aquatic Ape provides all the pieces. They eat, they move on. Eventually they find themselves in new places, new environments...
JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
Claudius Denk wrote:
I think there is a general misunderstanding about there having to have been some
odd event that would then initiate a cascade of evolutionary 'breakthroughs' to
arrive at humans (in accordance with natural selection).
There was: Exploitation of marine resources.
So what?
Evolution doesn't work like that. Both the aquatic ape theories and the savannah
theories/hypotheses plunder down this line of this bad thinking.
Wrong. "Savanna" idiocy doesn't even explain the savanna while Aquatic Ape fits
the evidence, the observations.
Humans aren't aquatic.
Claudius Denk wrote:
JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
Claudius Denk wrote:
I think there is a general misunderstanding about there having to have been some
odd event that would then initiate a cascade of evolutionary 'breakthroughs' to
arrive at humans (in accordance with natural selection).
There was: Exploitation of marine resources.
So what?Are you a bot. Your question is illogical.
You're not even necessarily disputing my
response
Evolution doesn't work like that. Both the aquatic ape theories and the savannah
theories/hypotheses plunder down this line of this bad thinking.
Wrong. "Savanna" idiocy doesn't even explain the savanna while Aquatic Ape fits
the evidence, the observations.
Humans aren't aquatic.So you don't grasp the first thing here. In this case, you don't even know WHAT
"Aquatic Ape" is. And though that isn't a crime and perhaps isn't a sin, it's also
not an argument.
"Well I have no clue what these terms mean, SO I'M RIGHT!"
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