• free-diver >50 m deep

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 04:48:55 2023
    Free-diver plunges to record depth beneath frozen Swiss lake
    14.3.23
    Czech freediver David Vencl (40 yrs) dives to 52.1 m under the ice in Sils without a wetsuit in a single breath.
    ... Vencl dived through a hole in the ice, then retrieved a sticker from a depth of 50 m, to prove his feat before re-emerging through the same hole. He spat some blood, sat down for a minute, then opened a bottle of champagne. A later visit to the
    hospital confirmed there was nothing serious.
    The Swiss plunge in Tps of 1 - 4°C took him 1' 54", his promoter Pavel Kalous said - a bit slower than expected:
    "He kind of enjoyed it, but admits he was a little more nervous than usual, and he had some problems with breathing.
    There is nothing difficult for him to be in cold water... Lack of oxygen is something normal for him. But this was completely different, because it's really difficult to work with the pressure in your ears in cold water.
    If you combine all these 3 things: cold water, lack of oxygen & the problem with working with pressure, it's something very unique."

    No kudu there...

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Mar 18 13:41:35 2023
    On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 04:48:55 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Free-diver plunges to record depth beneath frozen Swiss lake
    14.3.23
    Czech freediver David Vencl (40 yrs) dives to 52.1 m under the ice in Sils without a wetsuit in a single breath.
    ... Vencl dived through a hole in the ice, then retrieved a sticker from a depth of 50 m, to prove his feat before re-emerging through the same hole. He spat some blood, sat down for a minute, then opened a bottle of champagne. A later visit to the
    hospital confirmed there was nothing serious.
    The Swiss plunge in Tps of 1 - 4°C took him 1' 54", his promoter Pavel Kalous said - a bit slower than expected:
    "He kind of enjoyed it, but admits he was a little more nervous than usual, and he had some problems with breathing.
    There is nothing difficult for him to be in cold water... Lack of oxygen is something normal for him. But this was completely different, because it's really difficult to work with the pressure in your ears in cold water.
    If you combine all these 3 things: cold water, lack of oxygen & the problem with working with pressure, it's something very unique."

    No kudu there...

    Exceptional performance by trained individuals in extreme
    circumstances is not evidence of (past) adaptation.
    It's peanuts for those who are: <https://i.natgeofe.com/n/f2bf4ef6-f569-4a27-a84b-b7d6a01b9ac9/under-antarctica-weddell-seal-pup.jpg?w=636&h=423>

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 08:25:12 2023
    Free-diver plunges to record depth beneath frozen Swiss lake
    14.3.23
    Czech freediver David Vencl (40 yrs) dives to 52.1 m under the ice in Sils without a wetsuit in a single breath.
    ... Vencl dived through a hole in the ice, then retrieved a sticker from a depth of 50 m, to prove his feat before re-emerging through the same hole. He spat some blood, sat down for a minute, then opened a bottle of champagne. A later visit to the
    hospital confirmed there was nothing serious.
    The Swiss plunge in Tps of 1 - 4°C took him 1' 54", his promoter Pavel Kalous said - a bit slower than expected:
    "He kind of enjoyed it, but admits he was a little more nervous than usual, and he had some problems with breathing.
    There is nothing difficult for him to be in cold water... Lack of oxygen is something normal for him. But this was completely different, because it's really difficult to work with the pressure in your ears in cold water.
    If you combine all these 3 things: cold water, lack of oxygen & the problem with working with pressure, it's something very unique."

    No kudu there...

    Kudu runner:
    Exceptional performance by trained individuals in extreme
    circumstances is not evidence of (past) adaptation.
    It's peanuts for those who are: <https://i.natgeofe.com/n/f2bf4ef6-f569-4a27-a84b-b7d6a01b9ac9/under-antarctica-weddell-seal-pup.jpg?w=636&h=423>

    No kudu there, I said... :-DDD
    And few chimps, trained or not, can do this...

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat Mar 18 11:48:46 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    Exceptional performance by trained individuals in extreme
    circumstances is not evidence of (past) adaptation.

    So you were intentionally lying when you introduced marathon runners,
    and one highly unusual marathon runner in particular, pretending it
    "Proves" humans are evolved to run?

    Wow. You're self refuting. That's quite the time saver, for the rest of us.




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Mar 26 22:12:17 2023
    Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 04:48:55 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Free-diver plunges to record depth beneath frozen Swiss lake
    14.3.23
    Czech freediver David Vencl (40 yrs) dives to 52.1 m under the ice in Sils without a wetsuit in a single breath.
    ... Vencl dived through a hole in the ice, then retrieved a sticker from a depth of 50 m, to prove his feat before re-emerging through the same hole. He spat some blood, sat down for a minute, then opened a bottle of champagne. A later visit to the
    hospital confirmed there was nothing serious.
    The Swiss plunge in Tps of 1 - 4°C took him 1' 54", his promoter Pavel Kalous said - a bit slower than expected:
    "He kind of enjoyed it, but admits he was a little more nervous than usual, and he had some problems with breathing.
    There is nothing difficult for him to be in cold water... Lack of oxygen is something normal for him. But this was completely different, because it's really difficult to work with the pressure in your ears in cold water.
    If you combine all these 3 things: cold water, lack of oxygen & the problem with working with pressure, it's something very unique."

    No kudu there...

    Exceptional performance by trained individuals in extreme
    circumstances is not evidence of (past) adaptation.
    It's peanuts for those who are: <https://i.natgeofe.com/n/f2bf4ef6-f569-4a27-a84b-b7d6a01b9ac9/under-antarctica-weddell-seal-pup.jpg?w=636&h=423>


    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving. Plenty of
    resources on land.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_humans

    High-altitude adaptation in humans is an instance of
    evolutionary modification in certain human populations,
    including those of Tibet in Asia, the Andes of the
    Americas, and Ethiopia in Africa, who have acquired the
    ability to survive at altitudes above 2,500 meters
    (8,200 ft). This adaptation means irreversible, long-term
    physiological responses to high-altitude environments,
    associated with heritable behavioural and genetic changes.
    While the rest of the human population would suffer
    serious health consequences, the indigenous inhabitants
    of these regions thrive well in the highest parts of the
    world. These humans have undergone extensive physiological
    and genetic changes, particularly in the regulatory
    systems of oxygen respiration and blood circulation, when
    compared to the general lowland population.

    Around 81.6 million humans (approximately 1.1% of the
    world's human population) live permanently at altitudes
    above 2,500 meters (8,200 sf),[4] putting these populations
    at risk for chronic mountain sickness (CMS). However, the
    high-altitude populations in South America, East Africa,
    and South Asia have done so for millennia without apparent
    complications. This special adaptation is now recognised
    as an example of natural selection in action. The
    adaptation of the Tibetans is the fastest known example
    of human evolution, as it is estimated to have occurred
    any time around 1,000 BCE. to 7,000 BCE.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 03:35:48 2023
    Op maandag 27 maart 2023 om 06:12:21 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:


    Free-diver plunges to record depth beneath frozen Swiss lake
    14.3.23
    Czech freediver David Vencl (40 yrs) dives to 52.1 m under the ice in Sils without a wetsuit in a single breath.
    ... Vencl dived through a hole in the ice, then retrieved a sticker from a depth of 50 m, to prove his feat before re-emerging through the same hole. He spat some blood, sat down for a minute, then opened a bottle of champagne. A later visit to the
    hospital confirmed there was nothing serious.
    The Swiss plunge in Tps of 1 - 4°C took him 1' 54", his promoter Pavel Kalous said - a bit slower than expected:
    "He kind of enjoyed it, but admits he was a little more nervous than usual, and he had some problems with breathing.
    There is nothing difficult for him to be in cold water... Lack of oxygen is something normal for him. But this was completely different, because it's really difficult to work with the pressure in your ears in cold water.
    If you combine all these 3 things: cold water, lack of oxygen & the problem with working with pressure, it's something very unique."


    kudu runner:
    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.


    :-DDD
    Never eaten DHA-rich oysters/mussels/shrimps/...??
    No wonder you're still running after kudus...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSIydke_Nyg

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Mar 31 13:11:54 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.

    Well as "Coastal Dispersal" and our dependence on DHA proves, we
    were a waterside species, and being able to dive would translate
    directly to more resources we could exploit.

    Compare *That* to jewelry...




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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 31 15:24:43 2023
    Op vrijdag 31 maart 2023 om 22:11:55 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

    savanna fanatic:
    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.

    Well as "Coastal Dispersal" and our dependence on DHA proves, we
    were a waterside species, and being able to dive would translate
    directly to more resources we could exploit.
    Compare *That* to jewelry...

    Yes, obvious: we're still excellent (although slow) divers, google
    "Jon Foss human evolution" or so
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSIydke_Nyg

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Fri Apr 7 21:33:30 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.

    Well as "Coastal Dispersal" and our dependence on DHA proves, we
    were a waterside species, and being able to dive would translate
    directly to more resources we could exploit.

    Why do you need to dive 50 m deep?


    Compare *That* to jewelry...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 7 21:32:58 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 27 maart 2023 om 06:12:21 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:


    Free-diver plunges to record depth beneath frozen Swiss lake
    14.3.23
    Czech freediver David Vencl (40 yrs) dives to 52.1 m under the ice in Sils without a wetsuit in a single breath.
    ... Vencl dived through a hole in the ice, then retrieved a sticker from a depth of 50 m, to prove his feat before re-emerging through the same hole. He spat some blood, sat down for a minute, then opened a bottle of champagne. A later visit to the
    hospital confirmed there was nothing serious.
    The Swiss plunge in Tps of 1 - 4°C took him 1' 54", his promoter Pavel Kalous said - a bit slower than expected:
    "He kind of enjoyed it, but admits he was a little more nervous than usual, and he had some problems with breathing.
    There is nothing difficult for him to be in cold water... Lack of oxygen is something normal for him. But this was completely different, because it's really difficult to work with the pressure in your ears in cold water.
    If you combine all these 3 things: cold water, lack of oxygen & the problem with working with pressure, it's something very unique."


    kudu runner:
    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.


    :-DDD
    Never eaten DHA-rich oysters/mussels/shrimps/...??

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    No wonder you're still running after kudus...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSIydke_Nyg


    Found those nostrils on the tip of your nose yet?

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sat Apr 8 01:53:09 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    Very likely, some depth at least. During the Interglacial when sea level
    grew and they became trapped on a new island or were stopped from
    migrating to virgin coast and had to exploit more from the stretch of
    beach they had...

    Or maybe they just liked oysters. Humans are like that. One of your
    one cited videos had a man dismissing snails as "not good."

    Humans have tastes, preferences. We LIKE certain foods, dislike
    others. And if getting more/bigger oysters meant diving deeper, they
    certainly would if they could.

    It's like you don't even grasp people, today, much less paleo times...




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sat Apr 8 01:54:47 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:

    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.

    Well as "Coastal Dispersal" and our dependence on DHA proves, we
    were a waterside species, and being able to dive would translate
    directly to more resources we could exploit.

    Why do you need to dive 50 m deep?

    I can't claim to taking any measurements but what answer are you
    pretending refutes our need for DHA or Coastal Dispersal?

    Seriously. You don't always have to prove that you're an emotional
    basket case. Not every time you post.




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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 8 02:41:40 2023
    kudu runner:

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Apr 30 23:24:51 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    Very likely

    Why? On planet AA food is supposed to be right at the shore,
    right?

    Why would they just decide to dive 150 feet?????

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sun Apr 30 23:25:34 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:

    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There is no evolutionary advantage for such diving.

    Well as "Coastal Dispersal" and our dependence on DHA proves, we
    were a waterside species, and being able to dive would translate
    directly to more resources we could exploit.

    Why do you need to dive 50 m deep?

    I can't claim to taking any measurements

    Of course you can't.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to nostrils on the nose tip on Sun Apr 30 23:26:32 2023
    nostrils on the nose tip wrote:
    kudu runner:

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/


    Fifty meters down is NOT wading...

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 06:52:35 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [...]

    So bipedalism arose and only afterwards Chimps evolved, for
    sure, and in all probability Gorillas as well.

    I would bet on Gorillas, always have, but you're slow to these
    concepts, so let's just stick to Chimps..

    FIRST bipedalism arose AND THEN LATER Chimps evolved...

    The ancestor to Chimps, the LCA was bipedal. Knuckle walking
    came later.

    So your forest didn't spawn bipedalism, that's where it went to
    die. And your savanna was always a joke, which is why you're
    pretending that it was never claimed to be the answer...




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue May 2 06:48:03 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    Very likely

    Why?

    Like I already said and it never registered in that brick you
    call a brain:

    : Very likely, some depth at least. During the Interglacial when sea level
    : grew and they became trapped on a new island or were stopped from
    : migrating to virgin coast and had to exploit more from the stretch of
    : beach they had...
    :
    : Or maybe they just liked oysters. Humans are like that. One of your

    What part, exactly, did you fail to grasp?





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 09:33:26 2023
    Op dinsdag 2 mei 2023 om 15:52:36 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

    ...

    So bipedalism arose and only afterwards Chimps evolved, for
    sure, and in all probability Gorillas as well.
    I would bet on Gorillas, always have, but you're slow to these
    concepts, so let's just stick to Chimps..
    FIRST bipedalism arose AND THEN LATER Chimps evolved...
    The ancestor to Chimps, the LCA was bipedal. Knuckle walking
    came later.
    So your forest didn't spawn bipedalism, that's where it went to
    die. And your savanna was always a joke, which is why you're
    pretending that it was never claimed to be the answer...

    Are there still idiots who believe in their savanna-dwelling ancestors?? :-DDD We're wasting our time with these fanatics, JTEM.

    Early-Miocene Hominoidea were already BP, and Hylobatidae & H.sapiens still are:
    wading-climbing vertically in swamp forests, google e.g.
    - aquarboreal,
    - bonobo wading.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Thu May 11 22:36:01 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You need to dive 50 m for oysters???? LOL

    Very likely

    Why?

    Like I already said and it never registered in that brick you
    call a brain:

    : Very likely, some depth at least. During the Interglacial when sea level
    : grew and they became trapped on a new island or were stopped from
    : migrating to virgin coast and had to exploit more from the stretch of
    : beach they had...
    :
    : Or maybe they just liked oysters. Humans are like that. One of your

    What part, exactly, did you fail to grasp?

    Perhaps if instead of refering to it as 50 meters, refer to it in
    feet: roughly 150 *feet*.

    Now, again, why dive *150 feet* for oysters when AA claims
    all you need is at the shore?

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri May 12 13:22:00 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Perhaps if instead of refering to it as 50 meters, refer to it in
    feet: roughly 150 *feet*.

    You're not "Arguing." You're not even being logical.

    I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't
    that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."

    The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    underlying point is the diving.

    Now, again, why dive *150 feet* for oysters when AA claims
    all you need is at the shore?

    I can answer a third time but t seems that there's little hope
    of breeching your condition, making you recognize it, much
    less understand...

    #1
    The glacial/interglacial cycle trapped them and they had to
    exploit more of the sea in front of them, instead of merely
    picking up their rocks and moving on.

    #2.
    They were humans and had preferences. Our grazing farm
    animals show preferences. They prefer some food sources
    over others -- they think they taste better. Humans are worse.
    They could have picked a stretch of beach clean of a
    preferred food source and took to diving in order to reach
    more beneath the water line.

    There. That's three times in this one thread alone.





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Thu Jun 22 23:26:20 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Perhaps if instead of refering to it as 50 meters, refer to it in
    feet: roughly 150 *feet*.

    You're not "Arguing." You're not even being logical.

    I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't

    Based on what?

    that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."

    The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    underlying point is the diving.

    Hominid A sez, hey, I'm hungry. Let's just dive in the water
    and hope we find some food...

    Now, again, why dive *150 feet* for oysters when AA claims
    all you need is at the shore?

    I can answer a third time but t seems that there's little hope

    You have not answered *once*

    of breeching your condition, making you recognize it, much
    less understand...

    #1
    The glacial/interglacial cycle trapped them and they had to
    exploit more of the sea in front of them, instead of merely
    picking up their rocks and moving on.

    Evidence?

    #2.
    They were humans and had preferences. Our grazing farm
    animals show preferences. They prefer some food sources
    over others -- they think they taste better. Humans are worse.
    They could have picked a stretch of beach clean of a
    preferred food source and took to diving in order to reach
    more beneath the water line.

    WHY dive 50 meters? Do you know what a meter is? They
    prefered to dive 50 meters? ;)


    There. That's three times in this one thread alone.
    There. You've had chance after chance to dream up
    an explanation and only came up with unsupportable
    nonsense.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 23 06:41:49 2023
    Op vrijdag 12 mei 2023 om 22:22:01 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
    ...

    I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't
    that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."

    I'd place the Homo/Pan last commen ancestor 5.33 Ma.
    I have no doubt: the late-Miocene HPG-LCA lived in Red Sea forests:
    when the northern Rift began to form, Gorilla followed it->afarensis->boisei, and when the Red Sea opened into the Gulf/Aden (Francesa Mansfield thinks caused by the Zanclean mega-flood 5.33 Ma),
    -Pan went right along the E.Afr.coast->southern-Rift->africanus->robustus (// afarensis->boisei),
    -Pliocene Homo followed the S.Asian coasts->Java H.erectus early-Pleist. pachyosteosclerotic=shallow-diving:

    The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    underlying point is the diving.

    Of course! :-)
    Only reatarded imbeciles deny this.

    Now, again, why dive *150 feet* for oysters when AA claims
    all you need is at the shore?

    AA??
    AA = antique anthropologists?? anonymous alcoholics??

    I can answer a third time but t seems that there's little hope
    of breeching your condition, making you recognize it, much
    less understand...
    #1
    The glacial/interglacial cycle trapped them and they had to
    exploit more of the sea in front of them, instead of merely
    picking up their rocks and moving on.
    #2.
    They were humans and had preferences. Our grazing farm
    animals show preferences. They prefer some food sources
    over others -- they think they taste better. Humans are worse.
    They could have picked a stretch of beach clean of a
    preferred food source and took to diving in order to reach
    more beneath the water line.
    There. That's three times in this one thread alone.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Jun 25 21:13:01 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    I'd place the Homo/Pan last commen ancestor 5.33 Ma.

    And yet the collective has REPEATEDLY claimed that you
    are arguing that the retrovirus event of 3 to 4 million years
    ago struck the LCA to humans, Chimps & Gorillas. Apparently
    all the "Real" scholars have zero reading comprehension &
    retention... "Hey! I'm an idiot so you must be wrong!"




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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sun Jun 25 21:06:09 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't
    that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."

    Based on what?

    What answer is capable of piercing your illness?

    It's not like I haven't talked about this before... a lot.

    Tell me what answering you now will change.

    {Crickets}

    The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    underlying point is the diving.

    Hominid A sez, hey, I'm hungry. Let's just dive in the water
    and hope we find some food...

    See? All this time where the good Doctor posits that Aquatic
    Ape evolved bipedalism; your Hominids!

    YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE GOOD DOCTOR'S
    POSITION IS!

    You have no clue what so ever! You don't know what you're
    disagreeing with, all you know is that your disorder is
    compelling you to disagree..

    Now, again, why dive *150 feet* for oysters when AA claims
    all you need is at the shore?

    I can answer a third time but t seems that there's little hope

    You have not answered *once*

    And yet here it is, again, quoted by you:

    #1
    The glacial/interglacial cycle trapped them and they had to
    exploit more of the sea in front of them, instead of merely
    picking up their rocks and moving on.

    You are disputing the glacial/interglacial cycle? Wow. You're
    a goddamn idiot!

    #2.
    They were humans and had preferences. Our grazing farm
    animals show preferences. They prefer some food sources
    over others -- they think they taste better. Humans are worse.
    They could have picked a stretch of beach clean of a
    preferred food source and took to diving in order to reach
    more beneath the water line.

    WHY dive 50 meters?

    : I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't
    : that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."
    :
    : The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    : underlying point is the diving.

    You are an idiot. Certified.




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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 26 03:11:39 2023
    Op maandag 26 juni 2023 om 06:06:10 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't
    that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."
    Based on what?

    What answer is capable of piercing your illness?

    It's not like I haven't talked about this before... a lot.

    Tell me what answering you now will change.

    {Crickets}
    The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    underlying point is the diving.

    Hominid A sez, hey, I'm hungry. Let's just dive in the water
    and hope we find some food...
    See? All this time where the good Doctor posits that Aquatic
    Ape evolved bipedalism; your Hominids!

    YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE GOOD DOCTOR'S
    POSITION IS!

    You have no clue what so ever! You don't know what you're
    disagreeing with, all you know is that your disorder is
    compelling you to disagree..
    Now, again, why dive *150 feet* for oysters when AA claims
    all you need is at the shore?

    I can answer a third time but t seems that there's little hope

    You have not answered *once*
    And yet here it is, again, quoted by you:
    #1
    The glacial/interglacial cycle trapped them and they had to
    exploit more of the sea in front of them, instead of merely
    picking up their rocks and moving on.
    You are disputing the glacial/interglacial cycle? Wow. You're
    a goddamn idiot!
    #2.
    They were humans and had preferences. Our grazing farm
    animals show preferences. They prefer some food sources
    over others -- they think they taste better. Humans are worse.
    They could have picked a stretch of beach clean of a
    preferred food source and took to diving in order to reach
    more beneath the water line.

    WHY dive 50 meters?
    : I put the LCA at 3.7 million years ago. The specific date isn't
    : that important to me, the underlying point is "More Recent."
    :
    : The good Doctor might posit any depth he wishes, but the
    : underlying point is the diving.

    You are an idiot. Certified.

    Yes, some of them are *incredibly* idiotic.
    It's not my fault that H.erectus was pachyosteosclerotic & had a brain twice that of chimps.

    *Everything* else fits:
    -flat feet
    -poor olfaction
    -wide body
    -fur loss
    -fat-layer
    -island colonisations
    -etc.etc.etc.
    Only incredible idiots deny this.

    But there remain several questions, e.g.
    When did they began diving regularly? At least early-Pleistocene:
    I'd think the Pleist.coolings had something to do with it??
    scarceness of other foods? overabundance of shellfish then??
    Who knows. But whatever: the evidence is there:
    only incredible idiots believe pachyosteosclerotic animals ran over savannas... :-DDD

    Where exactly did regular diving begin? Little doubt, at S.Asian coasts?
    Not impossibly at some island?? island animals often evolve in special ways.

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