• Dudley Morton 1926 "Evolution of Man's erect posture"

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 16:21:45 2023
    Evolution of Man's erect posture
    Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal).
    The fact that the prehuman stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by
    -the grasping character of his hands,
    -the ratio of arm/body length,
    -the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints,
    -the extension of his legs on the body.
    The semi-erect posture of the great apes is not an advance towards human bipedism, but a modern reversion toward quadrupedism. ...
    ___

    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Mar 18 13:13:21 2023
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 16:21:45 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Evolution of Man's erect posture
    Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal).
    The fact that the prehuman stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by
    -the grasping character of his hands,
    -the ratio of arm/body length,
    -the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints,
    -the extension of his legs on the body.
    The semi-erect posture of the great apes is not an advance towards human bipedism, but a modern reversion toward quadrupedism. ...
    ___

    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs.

    Dudley J. Morton (1884–1960) was a orthopedic surgeon and anatomist,
    not a PA:
    https://doi.org/10.1002/9781118584538.ieba0329

    The idea that humans evolved from a orthograde suspensory ape was
    already proposed three years earlier by Arthur Keith in his Hunterian
    Lectures of 1923:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2316087/

    Early in the 20th century they didn't have the fossil data that we
    have in the 21st century.
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1403659111

    "In summary, Ar. ramidus shared with African apes and humans a trunk
    and appendicular skeleton more evolved than those of pronograde
    arboreal quadrupeds, but was not as adapted to orthograde vertical
    climbing or suspension as are extant great apes. Ar. ramidus was
    neither adapted for quadrupedal running and leaping typical of smaller pronograde monkeys, nor for the acrobatic gymnastics of quadrumanous
    and suspensory-oriented chimpanzees. On the ground, the lack of
    chimpanzee-like lumbar and pelvic specializations allowed Ardipithecus
    to move with much more effective bipedality than any living ape. In
    short, Ar. ramidus combined versatile but deliberate climbing
    involving body postures spanning both "pronogrady" and "orthogrady,"
    with a previously unknown form of bipedality."

    That early 20th century PAs were smarter than late 20th century PAs
    could only be suggested by a silly 21st century AAT proponent.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 07:04:22 2023
    Evolution of Man's erect posture
    Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal).
    The fact that the prehuman stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by
    -the grasping character of his hands,
    -the ratio of arm/body length,
    -the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints,
    -the extension of his legs on the body.
    The semi-erect posture of the great apes is not an advance towards human bipedism, but a modern reversion toward quadrupedism. ...
    ___

    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs.

    kudu runner:
    Dudley J. Morton (1884–1960) was a orthopedic surgeon and anatomist,
    not a PA:

    :-DDD
    Is this an argument??

    Already caught your kudu?

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Mar 18 15:41:51 2023
    On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:04:22 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Evolution of Man's erect posture
    Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal).
    The fact that the prehuman stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by
    -the grasping character of his hands,
    -the ratio of arm/body length,
    -the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints,
    -the extension of his legs on the body.
    The semi-erect posture of the great apes is not an advance towards human bipedism, but a modern reversion toward quadrupedism. ...
    ___

    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs.

    Dudley J. Morton (1884–1960) was a orthopedic surgeon and anatomist,
    not a PA:

    :-DDD
    Is this an argument??

    No, a correction.

    Already caught your kudu?

    Caught you, on misinformation/disinformation.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 18 10:14:09 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    [...]

    Relax. He said erect "Posture."

    P-O-S-T-U-R-E

    You really shouldn't have gotten *That* excited.

    "...but, but, but they both begin with a P"

    So doesn't "Pig." Stop being one.




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    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712098184160296960

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Mar 26 22:13:30 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Evolution of Man's erect posture
    Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal).
    The fact that the prehuman stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by
    -the grasping character of his hands,
    -the ratio of arm/body length,
    -the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints,
    -the extension of his legs on the body.
    The semi-erect posture of the great apes is not an advance towards human bipedism, but a modern reversion toward quadrupedism. ...
    ___

    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs.

    kudu runner:
    Dudley J. Morton (1884–1960) was a orthopedic surgeon and anatomist,
    not a PA:

    :-DDD
    Is this an argument??

    Already caught your kudu?


    It was to you.

    :=}}}}}}}

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 03:31:14 2023
    Op maandag 27 maart 2023 om 06:13:31 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    "Evolution of Man's erect posture" Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal) ... that the prehuman stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by the grasping character of his
    hands, the ratio of arm/body length, the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints, the extension of his legs on the body. The semi-erect posture of the great apes is not an advance towards human bipedism, but a modern reversion toward quadrupedism. ...

    ___
    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs.

    kudu runner:
    Dudley J. Morton (1884–1960) was a orthopedic surgeon and anatomist, not a PA:

    :-DDD Is this an argument?? Already caught your kudu?

    It was to you. :=}}}}}}}

    ??


    "Evolution of Man's erect posture"
    Dudley Morton 1926 J.Morphol.
    ...man's erectly supported body posture could only have originated from a vertically suspended posture (arboreal).
    The fact that the pre-human stem passed through an earlier arboreal & brachiating period is attested to by
    - the grasping character of his hands,
    - the ratio of arm/body length,
    - the extreme mobility of the shoulder-joints,
    - the extension of his legs on the body.
    The semi-erect posture of the great apes is
    -- not an advance towards human bipedism,
    -- a modern reversion toward quadrupedism.
    ...

    IOW, early 20th-cent.PAs were smarter than late-20th-cent.PAs:
    Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea were already BP:
    this confirms that
    - Miocene Hominoidea were aquarboreal,
    - apiths were fossil relatives of Gorilla or Pan
    (Pliocene Homo was in S-Asia -> Java early-Pleist. H.erectus).

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