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  • Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed?

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 22 22:56:13 2021
    ALL of them.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to invalide@invalid.invalid on Sat Oct 23 16:33:01 2021
    On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 22:56:13 -0600, Primum Sapienti
    <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    ALL of them.

    They're all tetrapods, but not all quadrupeds.
    Extant sirenians en cetaceans don't have hindlegs.
    But in the Eocene they did:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11676587_The_earliest_known_fully_quadrupedal_sirenian

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11781254_Origin_of_Whales_from_Early_Artiodactyls_Hands_and_Feet_of_Eocene_Protocetidae_from_Pakistan

    Notice the elongated foot in the protocetid.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 23 12:34:26 2021
    Op zaterdag 23 oktober 2021 om 16:33:04 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:


    ALL of them.

    They're all tetrapods, but not all quadrupeds.

    Yes, the poor man doesn't even know the difference between quadruped & tetrapod (etymologically the same).

    Extant sirenians en cetaceans don't have hindlegs.
    But in the Eocene they did: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11676587_The_earliest_known_fully_quadrupedal_sirenian
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11781254_Origin_of_Whales_from_Early_Artiodactyls_Hands_and_Feet_of_Eocene_Protocetidae_from_Pakistan
    Notice the elongated foot in the protocetid.

    Yes, plantigrady is never seen in typical cursorial tetrapods.
    Only complete imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 31 22:58:34 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op zaterdag 23 oktober 2021 om 16:33:04 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:


    ALL of them.

    They're all tetrapods, but not all quadrupeds.

    Yes, the poor man doesn't even know the difference between quadruped & tetrapod (etymologically the same).

    Extant sirenians en cetaceans don't have hindlegs.
    But in the Eocene they did:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11676587_The_earliest_known_fully_quadrupedal_sirenian
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11781254_Origin_of_Whales_from_Early_Artiodactyls_Hands_and_Feet_of_Eocene_Protocetidae_from_Pakistan
    Notice the elongated foot in the protocetid.

    Yes, plantigrady is never seen in typical cursorial tetrapods.
    Only complete imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.


    Found those snorkel noses yet?

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 22:20:25 2021
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sun Oct 31 23:32:28 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.


    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 23:02:23 2021
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 06.32.30 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?

    Didn't work so far. You just want your daily dopamine fix.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Tue Nov 2 02:49:17 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 2:02:24 AM UTC-4, C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 06.32.30 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?
    Didn't work so far. You just want your daily dopamine fix.
    Quadrupedal aquatics, except penguins which don't wade but do endurance march.

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Thu Nov 4 13:23:23 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?

    When you wrote "aquatic," were you referring exclusively to fresh-water mammals,
    as opposed to "marine = salt water animals"?

    Otherwise, your question has been answered, and it now has a similar status to "why are humans the only fully bipedal mammals"?

    In case there are those who do not know: sifakas are fully bipedal primates, and have forelimbs at least as short in proportion to their hindlimbs as those of us humans.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to peter2...@gmail.com on Thu Nov 4 13:45:37 2021
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?
    When you wrote "aquatic," were you referring exclusively to fresh-water mammals,
    as opposed to "marine = salt water animals"?

    Otherwise, your question has been answered, and it now has a similar status to
    "why are humans the only fully bipedal mammals"?

    In case there are those who do not know: sifakas are fully bipedal primates, and have forelimbs at least as short in proportion to their hindlimbs as those of us humans.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
    Sifakas are not aquatic, they are upright bipedal arboreal leaping lemurs with long tails.

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  • From Peter Nyikos@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 4 14:08:07 2021
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 4:45:39 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?
    When you wrote "aquatic," were you referring exclusively to fresh-water mammals,
    as opposed to "marine = salt water animals"?

    Otherwise, your question has been answered, and it now has a similar status to
    "why are humans the only fully bipedal mammals"?

    In case there are those who do not know: sifakas are fully bipedal primates,
    and have forelimbs at least as short in proportion to their hindlimbs as those of us humans.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    Sifakas are not aquatic, they are upright bipedal arboreal leaping lemurs with long tails.

    I never suggested they were aquatic. I was making an analogy that brings us a tad closer to humans,
    phylogeny-wise.


    But they aren't exclusively leaping, as a remarkable picture on page 26 of _Primates_, vol 1 of Illustrated Library of Nature, Time-Life Books, 1984 shows.

    It is a photo of a sifaka vigorously striding along the ground like a human, swinging its
    arms like a human might. The caption reads as follows, caps and all:

    "IN MID-STRIDE a sifaka shows why it is bipedal on the ground: Its legs are long and its arms are short. It would be even more awkward for it to walk on all fours than it would be for a man."


    Peter Nyikos

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to peter2...@gmail.com on Thu Nov 4 14:15:18 2021
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 5:08:08 PM UTC-4, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 4:45:39 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?
    When you wrote "aquatic," were you referring exclusively to fresh-water mammals,
    as opposed to "marine = salt water animals"?

    Otherwise, your question has been answered, and it now has a similar status to
    "why are humans the only fully bipedal mammals"?

    In case there are those who do not know: sifakas are fully bipedal primates,
    and have forelimbs at least as short in proportion to their hindlimbs as those of us humans.


    Peter Nyikos
    Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
    University of South Carolina
    http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

    Sifakas are not aquatic, they are upright bipedal arboreal leaping lemurs with long tails.
    I never suggested they were aquatic. I was making an analogy that brings us a tad closer to humans,
    phylogeny-wise.


    But they aren't exclusively leaping, as a remarkable picture on page 26 of _Primates_, vol 1 of Illustrated Library of Nature, Time-Life Books, 1984 shows.

    It is a photo of a sifaka vigorously striding along the ground like a human, swinging its
    arms like a human might. The caption reads as follows, caps and all:

    "IN MID-STRIDE a sifaka shows why it is bipedal on the ground: Its legs are long and its arms are short. It would be even more awkward for it to walk on all fours than it would be for a man."


    Peter Nyikos

    Grasshoppers sometimes stride. Humans can walk on their hands and run quadrupedally.

    The habitual behaviour is rather significant.
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    DD ~ David ~ Da'ud ~ Diode ~ ∆^¥°∆

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 4 14:29:53 2021
    torsdag den 4. november 2021 kl. 22.15.19 UTC+1 skrev DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    Grasshoppers sometimes stride. Humans can walk on their hands and run quadrupedally.

    Sure. About as much as dogs can walk bipedally.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 6 03:42:10 2021
    Op donderdag 4 november 2021 om 22:29:54 UTC+1 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht:
    torsdag den 4. november 2021 kl. 22.15.19 UTC+1 skrev DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    Grasshoppers sometimes stride. Humans can walk on their hands and run quadrupedally.

    Sure. About as much as dogs can walk bipedally.

    Yes.
    Some will never learn, Chris...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sun Nov 7 19:00:11 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 06.32.30 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?

    Didn't work so far. You just want your daily dopamine fix.

    None of the AA crowd can answer the question in the subject line...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Peter Nyikos on Sun Nov 7 19:01:38 2021
    Peter Nyikos wrote:
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:32:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 1. november 2021 kl. 05.58.36 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Found those snorkel noses yet?

    Why don't you go play in downtown Moscow with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight.

    Why don't you take a stab at answering the question in the subject line?

    When you wrote "aquatic," were you referring exclusively to fresh-water mammals,
    as opposed to "marine = salt water animals"?

    Ask mv.

    Otherwise, your question has been answered, and it now has a similar status to
    "why are humans the only fully bipedal mammals"?

    Actually, none of the aa crowd have attempted to answer.

    In case there are those who do not know: sifakas are fully bipedal primates, and have forelimbs at least as short in proportion to their hindlimbs as those of us humans.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 7 19:07:53 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op donderdag 4 november 2021 om 22:29:54 UTC+1 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht:
    torsdag den 4. november 2021 kl. 22.15.19 UTC+1 skrev DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    Grasshoppers sometimes stride. Humans can walk on their hands and run quadrupedally.

    Sure. About as much as dogs can walk bipedally.

    Yes.
    Some will never learn, Chris...


    So you can't answer the question...

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 18:33:51 2021
    mandag den 8. november 2021 kl. 03.07.54 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op donderdag 4 november 2021 om 22:29:54 UTC+1 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht:
    torsdag den 4. november 2021 kl. 22.15.19 UTC+1 skrev DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    Grasshoppers sometimes stride. Humans can walk on their hands and run quadrupedally.

    Sure. About as much as dogs can walk bipedally.

    Yes.
    Some will never learn, Chris...

    So you can't answer the question...

    You're desperate for that dopamine fix, ain't you?

    https://st3.depositphotos.com/13194036/18767/i/1600/depositphotos_187673770-stock-photo-young-addicted-junkie-doing-heroin.jpg

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sun Nov 7 20:34:45 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 8. november 2021 kl. 03.07.54 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op donderdag 4 november 2021 om 22:29:54 UTC+1 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht: >>>> torsdag den 4. november 2021 kl. 22.15.19 UTC+1 skrev DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    Grasshoppers sometimes stride. Humans can walk on their hands and run quadrupedally.

    Sure. About as much as dogs can walk bipedally.

    Yes.
    Some will never learn, Chris...

    So you can't answer the question...

    You're desperate for that dopamine fix, ain't you?

    https://st3.depositphotos.com/13194036/18767/i/1600/depositphotos_187673770-stock-photo-young-addicted-junkie-doing-heroin.jpg


    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed? Can't aa answer? No?

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 19:44:05 2021
    mandag den 8. november 2021 kl. 04.34.47 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed? Can't aa answer? No?

    You keep ignoring the answer. I got better things to do than repeat myself to some fucking dopamine junkie.

    https://st3.depositphotos.com/13194036/18767/i/1600/depositphotos_187673770-stock-photo-young-addicted-junkie-doing-heroin.jpg

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sun Nov 14 23:37:40 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 8. november 2021 kl. 04.34.47 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed? Can't aa answer? No?

    You keep ignoring the answer. I got better things to do than repeat myself to some fucking dopamine junkie.

    https://st3.depositphotos.com/13194036/18767/i/1600/depositphotos_187673770-stock-photo-young-addicted-junkie-doing-heroin.jpg


    You keep not being able to answer:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed?

    Can't aa explain this?

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 14 22:55:57 2021
    mandag den 15. november 2021 kl. 07.37.42 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 8. november 2021 kl. 04.34.47 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed? Can't aa answer? No?

    You keep ignoring the answer. I got better things to do than repeat myself to some fucking dopamine junkie.

    https://st3.depositphotos.com/13194036/18767/i/1600/depositphotos_187673770-stock-photo-young-addicted-junkie-doing-heroin.jpg

    You keep not being able to answer:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed?
    Can't aa explain this?

    Sure. Post no. 4 of this thread already did.

    And now you're gonna wait a bit and then ask again. 'Cause that's really funny and then you get the pussy somehow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_Males

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 15 07:35:46 2021
    Op maandag 15 november 2021 om 07:55:58 UTC+1 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht

    Sure. Post no. 4 of this thread already did.
    And now you're gonna wait a bit and then ask again. 'Cause that's really funny and then you get the pussy somehow.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_Males

    Don't waste your time with such retarded people, Chris,
    they don't inform: they don't even know what "aquarboreal" means.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 28 23:30:00 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 15 november 2021 om 07:55:58 UTC+1 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht

    Sure. Post no. 4 of this thread already did.
    And now you're gonna wait a bit and then ask again. 'Cause that's really funny and then you get the pussy somehow.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_Males

    Don't waste your time with such retarded people, Chris,
    they don't inform: they don't even know what "aquarboreal" means.


    Related to snorkel noses?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sun Nov 28 23:29:10 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 15. november 2021 kl. 07.37.42 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 8. november 2021 kl. 04.34.47 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed? Can't aa answer? No?

    You keep ignoring the answer. I got better things to do than repeat myself to some fucking dopamine junkie.

    https://st3.depositphotos.com/13194036/18767/i/1600/depositphotos_187673770-stock-photo-young-addicted-junkie-doing-heroin.jpg

    You keep not being able to answer:
    Why are aquatic mammals all quadrupeds AND shortlimbed?
    Can't aa explain this?

    Sure. Post no. 4 of this thread already did.

    4th? what are you babbling about? You're making up stuff again.

    And now you're gonna wait a bit and then ask again. 'Cause that's really funny and then you get the pussy somehow.

    And now you're going to dodge again. Still waiting for that explaination...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonic_Males


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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 29 02:05:40 2021
    mandag den 29. november 2021 kl. 07.30.02 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Related to snorkel noses?

    You're not working out of St. Petersburg, are ya?

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 29 03:08:29 2021
    Op maandag 29 november 2021 om 07:30:02 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    Related to snorkel noses?

    OI, BIG NOSE !
    New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16.10.10

    Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces.
    Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities
    including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.

    The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.

    An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded
    and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins
    of land and water. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food,
    and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.

    But what does this have to do with human evolution?

    The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the
    coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know
    whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as
    docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

    If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving).
    This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, flat feet, large brains and big noses.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sun Dec 12 23:08:35 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 29. november 2021 kl. 07.30.02 UTC+1 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    Related to snorkel noses?

    You're not working out of St. Petersburg, are ya?


    See subject line...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Dec 12 23:12:56 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 29 november 2021 om 07:30:02 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    Related to snorkel noses?


    OI! BIG PENIS!



    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaaq0250.full
    Nasalization by Nasalis larvatus: Larger noses audiovisually advertise conspecifics in proboscis monkeys
    Science Advances 21 Feb 2018:

    Abstract
    Male proboscis monkeys have uniquely enlarged noses that are prominent adornments, which may have evolved through their sexually competitive
    harem group social system. Nevertheless, the ecological roles of the
    signals encoded by enlarged noses remain unclear. We found significant correlations among nose, body, and testis sizes and a clear link between
    nose size and number of harem females. Therefore, there is evidence
    supporting both male-male competition and female choice as causal factors
    in the evolution of enlarged male noses. We also observed that nasal enlargement systematically modifies the resonance properties of male vocalizations, which probably encode male quality. Our results indicate
    that the audiovisual contributions of enlarged male noses serve as advertisements to females in their mate selection. This is the first
    primate research to evaluate the evolutionary processes involved in
    linking morphology, acoustics, and socioecology with unique masculine characteristics.


    https://www.menshealth.com/uk/sex/a36339905/bigger-penis-large-noses/
    Men With Larger Noses Have Bigger Penises, According to New Study
    Your beak may be giving away more than you think

    BY MEN'S HEALTH 05/05/2021
    Published in the medical journal Basic and Clinical Andrology, the
    researchers of
    the study found that men with larger noses had a ‘stretched penile length’ of at
    least 5.3 inches, while men with smaller noses had a penis length of 4.1
    inches
    erect.

    The team of researchers drew this conclusion by looking at the dead corpses of 126 men within three days of death and measured different parts of their body. After taking into account varying factors such height, weight and measurements of the penis (there were no links between feet size and appendage size, before you ask), the authors of the study then worked out the "stretched penile length"
    (SPL) of each cadaver. This was measured by, and sorry to be so graphic,
    by pulling
    the penis up as far as it would go. Hopefully they used gloves.


    https://bacandrology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12610-021-00121-z
    Nose size indicates maximum penile length

    Abstract
    Background
    In a previous report, we investigated whether the size of male genitalia similarly
    exposed to serum testosterone during aging could change with age and found
    that penile length almost stopped increasing during adolescence and decreased in older males. In this report, to determine what factors other than age
    are related
    to penile length, we performed a multivariate analysis of the
    relationships between
    stretched penile length (SPL) and other measurements of genital organs,
    nose size,
    height and body weight in 126 adults in their 30s–50s.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Dec 12 23:13:46 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 29 november 2021 om 07:30:02 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    Related to snorkel noses?

    OI, BIG PENIS !


    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaaq0250.full
    Nasalization by Nasalis larvatus: Larger noses audiovisually advertise conspecifics in proboscis monkeys
    Science Advances 21 Feb 2018:

    Abstract
    Male proboscis monkeys have uniquely enlarged noses that are prominent adornments, which may have evolved through their sexually competitive
    harem group social system. Nevertheless, the ecological roles of the
    signals encoded by enlarged noses remain unclear. We found significant correlations among nose, body, and testis sizes and a clear link between
    nose size and number of harem females. Therefore, there is evidence
    supporting both male-male competition and female choice as causal factors
    in the evolution of enlarged male noses. We also observed that nasal enlargement systematically modifies the resonance properties of male vocalizations, which probably encode male quality. Our results indicate
    that the audiovisual contributions of enlarged male noses serve as advertisements to females in their mate selection. This is the first
    primate research to evaluate the evolutionary processes involved in
    linking morphology, acoustics, and socioecology with unique masculine characteristics.


    https://www.menshealth.com/uk/sex/a36339905/bigger-penis-large-noses/
    Men With Larger Noses Have Bigger Penises, According to New Study
    Your beak may be giving away more than you think

    BY MEN'S HEALTH 05/05/2021
    Published in the medical journal Basic and Clinical Andrology, the
    researchers of
    the study found that men with larger noses had a ‘stretched penile length’ of at
    least 5.3 inches, while men with smaller noses had a penis length of 4.1
    inches
    erect.

    The team of researchers drew this conclusion by looking at the dead corpses of 126 men within three days of death and measured different parts of their body. After taking into account varying factors such height, weight and measurements of the penis (there were no links between feet size and appendage size, before you ask), the authors of the study then worked out the "stretched penile length"
    (SPL) of each cadaver. This was measured by, and sorry to be so graphic,
    by pulling
    the penis up as far as it would go. Hopefully they used gloves.


    https://bacandrology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12610-021-00121-z
    Nose size indicates maximum penile length

    Abstract
    Background
    In a previous report, we investigated whether the size of male genitalia similarly
    exposed to serum testosterone during aging could change with age and found
    that penile length almost stopped increasing during adolescence and decreased in older males. In this report, to determine what factors other than age
    are related
    to penile length, we performed a multivariate analysis of the
    relationships between
    stretched penile length (SPL) and other measurements of genital organs,
    nose size,
    height and body weight in 126 adults in their 30s–50s.

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 12 22:22:34 2021
    Bored, huh?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Wed Dec 22 13:02:08 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    Bored, huh?

    Dodging,huh?

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Wed Dec 22 14:36:15 2021
    On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 3:02:08 PM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    Bored, huh?

    Dodging,huh?
    cuz gallileo.

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