• stupid stupid stupid kudu runners

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 2 14:32:27 2023
    Fossil apes and human evolution
    Sergio Almécija cs 2021 Science 372,eabb4363.
    doi 10.1126/science.abb4363

    Homo diverged from Pan toward the end of the Miocene ~9.3 to 6.5 Ma. Understanding the origins of the human lineage (hominins) requires reconstructing the morphology, behavior & environment of the HP-LCA.
    Modern hominoids (humans+apes) share multiple features (e.g. an orthograde body-plan, facilitating upright positional behaviors),
    but the fossil record indicates: living hominoids constitute narrow representatives of an ancient radiation of more widely distributed, diverse spp,
    none of these exhibit the entire suite of locomotor adaptations present in the extant relatives:
    some modern ape similarities might have evolved in parallel in response to similar selection pressures.
    Current evidence suggests: hominins originated in Africa from Miocene ape ancestors, unlike any living species.

    _____

    Every paper that uses the word "hominin" is already prejudiced:
    it assumes that apiths are closer relatives of us than of Afr.apes
    = ridiculous nonsense, of course:

    Numerous students (e.g. Maxine Kleindientst :-)) have suggested (independently from each other) that apiths were closer relative of P or G than of H,
    but for some obscure reason (afro+anthropocentric prejudices), most PAs today accept without thinking the ridiculous belief that apiths are closer relatives of us ("hominin") than of P or G.

    DNA (absence of Afrian retroviral DNA) already shows that our Pliocene ancestors 4-3 Ma were NOT even in Africa!!
    Statistics are even more telling: many PAs assume that 4 spp of Afr.apes have virtually 0 fossils, and that ALL 100s or hominids fossils are closer relatives of 1 hominid species (moreover, originally Asian) than of any of the 4 Afr.spp.
    How stupid is that. Statistically alone, this is impossible.

    Moreover, simple anatomical comparisons show that apiths much much more resemble P or G than H.
    More specifically, detailed comparisons show that
    - E.Afr.apiths resemble G>P>H,
    - S.Afr.apiths resemble P>H or G.

    What really happened is rather clear IMO:
    the late-Miocene HP-LCA lived in coastal forests along the Red Sea:
    they waded vertically=bipedally & climbed arms overhead in the branches above the water:
    google "aquarboreal" or "bonobo wading" or so.
    When the Red Sea opened into the Gulf (Francesca Mansfield thinks caused by than Zanclean mega-flood 5.33 Ma):
    -Pan went right -> E.Afr.coastal forests,
    -Homo went left -> S.Asian coasts, as far as Java & even Flores, google e.g. "human evolution Verhaegen":
    the diet incl. shellfish etc. explains why:
    --Homo got much larger brains (DHA etc. in seafood),
    --we lost our fur,
    --we developed SC fat,
    --we got an external nose,
    --shell engravings, e.g. google "Joordens Munro",
    --stone tools cf sea-otters,
    --erectus' pachyosteosclerosis = uniquely seen in slow+shallow-diving tetrapods,
    --our voluntary breathing,
    --our flat feet (only incredible imbeciles believe these were for running after kudus :-DDD),
    --etc.etc.etc.

    How stupid stupid stupid are the kudu runners: flat-footed furless fat bipeds running after kudus, sweating water+salt (scarce there!!) :-DDD
    Savanna baboons are more quadrupedal than forest baboons...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Mar 7 23:19:44 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:


    The REAL abstract

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb4363

    Abstract
    Humans diverged from apes (chimpanzees, specifically) toward
    the end of the Miocene ~9.3 million to 6.5 million years ago.
    Understanding the origins of the human lineage (hominins)
    requires reconstructing the morphology, behavior, and
    environment of the chimpanzee-human last common ancestor.
    Modern hominoids (that is, humans and apes) share multiple
    features (for example, an orthograde body plan facilitating
    upright positional behaviors). However, the fossil record
    indicates that living hominoids constitute narrow
    representatives of an ancient radiation of more widely
    distributed, diverse species, none of which exhibit the
    entire suite of locomotor adaptations present in the extant
    relatives. Hence, some modern ape similarities might have
    evolved in parallel in response to similar selection pressures.
    Current evidence suggests that hominins originated in Africa
    from Miocene ape ancestors unlike any living species.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue Mar 7 23:14:15 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Abstract
    Humans diverged from apes (chimpanzees, specifically) toward
    the end of the Miocene ~9.3 million to 6.5 million years ago.

    Nah.

    Had to be more recent. I'd argue a lot more recent, some argue a
    little more recent but it had to be more recent.

    Understanding the origins of the human lineage (hominins)
    requires reconstructing the morphology, behavior, and
    environment of the chimpanzee-human last common ancestor.

    Lol!

    "When" they split they split as two different POPULATIONS. They
    might've remained a single species for eons... possible 2 million
    years! I think it more likely that it happened faster.

    The "Aquatic Ape" population started early. Very early. but from
    the beginning groups peeled off, pushed inland. Maybe it happened
    the other way around: An inland group pushed to water's edge,
    began exploiting marine resource.

    Whatever the case, we had one group facing different "Selective
    Pressures" than the other...

    The sea can support a higher population density than a forest,
    which supported a higher population density than any savanna,
    so advantage goes to Team Aquatic!

    They're not migrating, so to speak. They're eating. That's it. They're
    just picking up stuff & eating it. But it's a trap, you know. Once
    they get past the shells, learn to open those shellfish there's an
    insane amount of free protein just for the taking! Easy! No work,
    Well, practically no work. So our ancestors did what we did and
    ate themselves from abundance to scarcity! Suddenly there were
    a whole lot more mouths to feed than food to feed them, so they
    moved on to better pickings... new shorelines.

    Some pushed inland though. Probably following freshwater
    outlets to the sea... the Rift Valley is exactly what we'd be looking
    for in his model, btw.

    Where & when these splinter groups pushed inland made a
    difference. The earliest ones would look like an Ardi or a Lucy,
    probably, after cutting themselves off from the brain-building
    DHA and all that free protein. The last of the splinter groups
    probably looked like, oh, I dunno... something like Neanderthals
    or Denisovans. Maybe...

    At some point, I'm guessing erectus, something broke. I'm
    thinking the Chromosome fusion. So for a short while,
    geologically speaking, there was no interbreeding. There was
    no moderation of their evolution by inland groups that they
    encountered. That is, until they themselves splintered off,
    pushed inland and adapted to their new environment.

    ~Everything old is new again~

    Yes. Of course. Why would the exact same thing that was
    already happening for millions of years continue to happen?

    The only difference was, the glacial/interglacial cycle was
    throwing everything into overdrive. During a glacial cycle,
    you can walk between cliffs and the sea, eating everything
    you come across. During the interglacial the sea come right
    up to those cliffs, likely to some depths... YOU'RE CUT OFF!

    You've got to push inland, no choice, or adapt. You can figure
    out how to get more out of a given stretch of shoreline...
    swimming/diving significantly increasing the amount of
    exploitable ocean floor.

    Industry? Like, fishing?

    They could have developed things like netting and hooks...
    spear fishing, of course.

    Fire attracts fish at night. It's also a great way to open shellfish.

    So that's the process, that's WHY Chimps split off and arose
    in the first place. The question is: When?

    I don't agree with the good Doctor about everything but I know
    he's a Poop Ton closer to the truth than you are. Chimps just
    aren't that old! The oldest Chimp fossil is like a third the age
    of erectus... a little younger than that, actually.

    So either people are actively AVOIDING any search for Chimp
    fossils, or they're lying and found them but won't admit for
    whatever reason or, now get this; they've long since found
    Chimp fossils only they look *So* different from what we
    expect, what we want them to look like, that nobody recognizes
    them as Chimps... or the Chimp ancestor, more accurately.





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 8 02:37:53 2023
    Op woensdag 8 maart 2023 om 08:14:16 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

    Humans diverged from apes (chimpanzees, specifically) toward
    the end of the Miocene ~9.3 million to 6.5 million years ago.

    Nah.
    Had to be more recent. I'd argue a lot more recent, some argue a
    little more recent but it had to be more recent.

    Yes, Francesca Mansfield might well right that the Zanclean mega-flood 5.33 Ma opened the Red Sea into the Gulf:
    late-Miocene Homo-Pan lived in Red Sea swamp forests, and when the Red Sea opened into the Gulf,
    - Pliocene Homo went left along the S.Asian coast -> Java H.erectus etc. (our Pliocene ancestors were NOT in Africa, Benveniste 1976, Yohn 2005),
    - Pan went right along the E.Afr.coast (Joordens 2011) -> southern Rift -> africanus->robustus // Gorilla -> northern Rift -> afarensis->boisei,


    Understanding the origins of the human lineage (hominins)
    requires reconstructing the morphology, behavior, and
    environment of the chimpanzee-human last common ancestor.

    Lol!
    "When" they split they split as two different POPULATIONS. They
    might've remained a single species for eons... possible 2 million
    years! I think it more likely that it happened faster.

    Allopatric speciation:
    - Pliocene Pan in E.African,
    - Homo in S.Asian coastal forests (Benveniste 1976, Yohn 2005).

    The "Aquatic Ape" population started early. Very early. but from
    the beginning groups peeled off, pushed inland. Maybe it happened
    the other way around: An inland group pushed to water's edge,
    began exploiting marine resource.

    Early Hominoidea were already aquarboreal.
    My 2022 book p.299-300 "Platentektoniek en Hominoïde Opdelingen?"
    hypothesis, schematic: plate tectonics: were most or even all speciations allopatric?:
    -30-25 Ma India approaching S-Eurasia->fm of island archipels: coastal forests++.
    Catarrhini that reached these islands became Hominoidea (OWM/ape split): bipedal waders-climbers in coastal forests, google "aquarboreal",
    -25-20 Ma India under Asia (Himalaya fm) split hylobatids (E) & great apes (W) in Tethys Ocean coastal forests, still aquarboreal,
    -15 Ma Mesopotamian Seaway closure split pongids (E) & hominids (W: Medit.Sea): Medit.hominids (dryopiths via rivers inland, Trachilos Crete BP footprints etc.) died out (Messinian Salinity Crisis after 6 Ma, Zanclean mega-flood 5.33, ...?), only hominids in (incipient then) Red Sea survived: Gorilla & Homo-Pan:
    -8-7 Ma Gorilla followed incipient northern Rift (EARS) ->afarensis->boisei etc.
    -5.33 Ma Homo-Pan -> Gulf: Pan followed incipient southern Rift ->africanus->robustus // Gorilla,
    Homo -> S.Asia: Java, Flores...

    Whatever the case, we had one group facing different "Selective
    Pressures" than the other...

    Yes, for some reason, Homo (early-Pleist.? already earlier?) evolved from aquarboreal to more frequently shallow-diving.
    We have at least 4 independent indications that early-Pleist.H.erectus dived often for shellfish:
    - POS,
    - brain+,
    - stone tools+,
    - shell engravings (google "Joordens Munro"):
    did edible shellfish become more abundant early-Pleist.??

    The sea can support a higher population density than a forest,
    which supported a higher population density than any savanna,
    so advantage goes to Team Aquatic!
    They're not migrating, so to speak. They're eating. That's it. They're
    just picking up stuff & eating it. But it's a trap, you know. Once
    they get past the shells, learn to open those shellfish there's an
    insane amount of free protein just for the taking! Easy! No work,
    Well, practically no work. So our ancestors did what we did and
    ate themselves from abundance to scarcity! Suddenly there were
    a whole lot more mouths to feed than food to feed them, so they
    moved on to better pickings... new shorelines.

    Yes, but hominoid coastal movements (Ind.Ocean etc.) were already Miocene: today's gibbons live in Indonesia, gorillas in Congo.

    Some pushed inland though. Probably following freshwater
    outlets to the sea... the Rift Valley is exactly what we'd be looking
    for in his model, btw.

    Yes, Pan // Gorilla initially followed the S- // N-Rift IMO,
    and then from late-Plio- "gracile" africanus//afarensis, to early-Pleisto- "robust" australopiths robustus//boisei.
    Afr.apes evolved largely in parallel: less BP -> knuckle-walking, longer arms etc.

    Where & when these splinter groups pushed inland made a
    difference. The earliest ones would look like an Ardi or a Lucy,
    probably, after cutting themselves off from the brain-building
    DHA and all that free protein. The last of the splinter groups
    probably looked like, oh, I dunno... something like Neanderthals
    or Denisovans. Maybe...
    At some point, I'm guessing erectus, something broke. I'm
    thinking the Chromosome fusion. So for a short while,
    geologically speaking, there was no interbreeding. There was
    no moderation of their evolution by inland groups that they
    encountered. That is, until they themselves splintered off,
    pushed inland and adapted to their new environment.
    ~Everything old is new again~
    Yes. Of course. Why would the exact same thing that was
    already happening for millions of years continue to happen?
    The only difference was, the glacial/interglacial cycle was
    throwing everything into overdrive. During a glacial cycle,
    you can walk between cliffs and the sea, eating everything
    you come across. During the interglacial the sea come right
    up to those cliffs, likely to some depths... YOU'RE CUT OFF!

    Yes, probably the ice ages (sea-level up & down) had great influence.
    And many side-branches in parallel followed rivers-lakes... inland.

    You've got to push inland, no choice, or adapt. You can figure
    out how to get more out of a given stretch of shoreline...
    swimming/diving significantly increasing the amount of
    exploitable ocean floor.
    Industry? Like, fishing?
    They could have developed things like netting and hooks...
    spear fishing, of course.
    Fire attracts fish at night. It's also a great way to open shellfish.
    So that's the process, that's WHY Chimps split off and arose
    in the first place. The question is: When?
    I don't agree with the good Doctor about everything but I know
    he's a Poop Ton closer to the truth than you are. Chimps just
    aren't that old! The oldest Chimp fossil is like a third the age
    of erectus... a little younger than that, actually.

    :-)
    But I still don't know: where apiths +-on the line to extant Afr.apes? or side-lines?
    In any case, it's clear (e.g. my Hum.Evol.papers) that
    - E.Afr.apiths "Praeanthropus" afarensis->boisei were fossil Gorilla,
    - S.Afr.apiths "Australopithecus"africanus->robustus were fossil Pan.

    So either people are actively AVOIDING any search for Chimp
    fossils, or they're lying and found them but won't admit for
    whatever reason or, now get this; they've long since found
    Chimp fossils only they look *So* different from what we
    expect, what we want them to look like, that nobody recognizes
    them as Chimps... or the Chimp ancestor, more accurately.

    PAs think they find 100s of "human" ancestors in Africa, but +-no "ancestors" of chimps, bonobos, low- or highland gorillas:
    statistically that's impossible, of course. Only unscientific afro- & anthropocentric prejudices.

    Pliocene human ancestors were not even in Africa!
    A Pliocene virus (~4–3 Ma) infected +-all African primates incl. Papio, Macaca, Pan, Gorilla etc. (retroviral element), but not Asian primates incl.humans (Benveniste 1976, Yohn 2005): Pliocene Homo lived along S-Asian coasts.

    Pleist.Homo OTOH is found all over the Old World: from Flores (island!) to Europe & Africa.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 8 03:41:51 2023
    ...
    But I still don't know: where apiths +-on the line to extant Afr.apes? or side-lines?
    In any case, it's clear (e.g. my Hum.Evol.papers) that
    - E.Afr.apiths "Praeanthropus" afarensis->boisei were fossil Gorilla,
    - S.Afr.apiths "Australopithecus"africanus->robustus were fossil Pan.

    Australopiths were fossil Pan or Gorilla, not Homo !!!
    Many?most paleo-anthropologists are incredibly afro+anthropocentrically biased.

    - 1990 Hum.Evol.5:295-7 "African Ape Ancestry"
    - 1994 Hum.Evol.9:121-139 "Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?" - 1996 Hum.Evol.11:35-41 "Morphological distance between australopithecine, human and ape skulls":
    This paper attempts to quantify the morphological difference between fossil & living spp of hominoids. The comparison is based upon a balanced list of cranio-dental characters, corrected for size (Wood & Chamberlain 1986). The conclusions are: cranio-
    dentally the australopithecine spp are a unique & rather uniform group, much nearer to the great apes than to humans; overall, their skull & dentition do not resemble the human more than the chimpanzee’s do.
    Concl.: This comparison of 37 cranio-dental characters of fossil & living apes & humans yields no indication that any of the australopithecine spp has evolved in the human direction. S.African australopithecine skulls are morphologically closest to the
    chimpanzee among the living hominoids, A.boisei is closest to the gorilla among the living hominoids. Human cranio-dental evolution appears to have been very fast the last 1 or 2 million years.

    From my 1994 paper:

    Table 1 - Some quotations on ape-like features in australopith crania
    • “The evolution of the australopith crania was the antithesis of the Homo line. Instead of becoming less ape-like, as in Homo, they become more ‘ape-like’. Cranial proportions & ecto-cranial features that were thought to be unique among
    pongids evolved separately [? MV] in the australopithecines parallel [? MV] with the great apes. The features of KNM-WT 17000, therefore, are not as ‘primitive’ as they look. The robust Australopithecus did not evolve from a big-toothed pongid
    ancestor with large cranial superstructures, but from a small-toothed hominid with a rounder, smoother ectocranium, like A.africanus”. Ferguson 1989b.
    • “Plio-Pleistocene hominids had markedly abbreviated [enamel] growth periods relative to modern man, similar to those of the modem great apes”. Bromage & Dean 1985.
    • “Enamel thickness has been secondarily reduced in the African apes and also, although at a different rare and extent, in the orang-utan. Thick enamel, previously the most important characteristic in arguments about the earliest hominid, does not
    therefore identify a hominid”. Martin 1985 (but Beynon cs 1991).
    • In the S.African fossils incl. Taung, “sulcal patterns of 7 australopithecine encocasts appear to be ape-like rather than human-like”. Falk 1987.
    • “Cranial capacity, the relationship between endocast & skull, sulcal pattern, brain shape & cranial venous sinuses, all of these features appear to be consistent with an ape-like external cortical morphology in Hadar early hominids”. Falk 1985.
    • In the type specimen of A. afarensis, “the lower third premolar of ‘A. africanus afarensis’ LH-4 is completely apelike”. Ferguson 1987b.
    • “A.afarensis is much more similar cranially to the modern African apes than to modern humans”. Schoenemann 1989.
    • “Olson's assertion that the lateral inflation of the A.L.333-45 mastoids is greater than in any extant ape is incorrect if the fossil is compared to P.troglodytes males or some Gorilla males & females. Moreover, the pattern of pneumatization in A.
    afarensis is also found only in the extant apes among other hominoids”. Kimbel cs 1984.
    • “Prior to the identification of A.afarensis the asterionic notch was thought to characterize only the apes among hominoids. Kimbel & Rak relate this asterionic sutural figuration to the pattern of cranial cresting & temporal bone pneumatization
    shared by A.afarensis & the extant apes”. Kimbel cs 1984.
    • “... the fact that two presumed Paranthropus [robustus] skulls were furnished with high sagittal crests implied that they had also possessed powerful occipital crests and ape-like planum nuchale... Nuchal crests which are no more prominent - and
    indeed some less prominent - will be found in many adult apes”. Zuckerman 1954b.
    • In Sts.5, MLD-37/38, SK-47, SK-48, SK-83, Taung, KNM-ER 406, O.H.24 & O.H.5, “craniometric analysis showed that they had marked similarities to those of extant pongids. These basicranial similarities between Plio-Pleistocene hominids & extant apes
    suggest that the upper respiratory systems of these groups were also alike in appearance... Markedly flexed basicrania [are] found only in modern humans after the second year...”. Laitman & Heimbuch 1982.
    • “The total morphological pattern with regard to the nasal region of Australopithecus can be characterized by a flat, non-protruding nasal skeleton which does not differ qualitatively from the extant nonhuman hominoid pattern, one which is in marked
    contrast to the protruding nasal skeleton of modern H.sapiens”. Franciscus & Trinkaus 1988.


    Table 2 - Quotations on gorilla-like features in large East African australopith crania
    • “Incisal dental microwear in A.afarensis is most similar to that observed in Gorilla”. Ryan & Johanson 1989.
    • The composite skull reconstructed mostly from A.L.333 specimens “looked very much like a small female gorilla”. Johanson & Edey 1981:351.
    • “Other primitive [= advanced gorilla-like? MV] features found in KNM-WT 17000, but not know or much discussed for A.afarensis, are: very small cranial capacity; low posterior profile of the calvaria; nasals extended far above the frontomaxillar
    suture and well onto an uninflated glabella; and extremely convex inferolateral margins of the orbits such as found in some gorillas”. Walker cs 1986.
    • As for the maximum parietal breadth & the biauriculare in O.H.5 and KNM-ER 406 “the robust australopithecines have values near the Gorilla mean: both the pongids & the robust australopithecines have highly pneumatized bases”. Kennedy 1991 (see
    also his fig.1).
    • In O.H.5, “the curious and characteristic features of the Paranthropus skull... parallel some of those of the gorilla”. Robinson 1960.
    • The A. boisei “lineage has been characterized by sexual dimorphism of the degree seen in modern Gorilla for the length of its known history”. Leakey & Walker 1988.
    • A.boisei teeth showed “a relative absence of prism decussation”; among extant hominoids, “Gorilla enamel showed relatively little decussation ...”. Beynon & Wood 1986 (cf. Beynon cs 1991).


    Table 3 - Quotations on chimp-like features in South African australopith crania
    • “Alan [Walker] has analysed a number of Australopithecus robustus teeth and they fall into the fruit-eating category. More precisely, their teeth patterns look like those of chimpanzees... Then, when be looked at some H.erectus teeth, be found that
    the pattern changed”. Leakey 1981:74-75.
    • “The ‘keystone’ nasal bone arrangement suggested as a derived diagnostic of Paranthropus [robustus] is found in an appreciable number of pongids, particularly clearly in some chimpanzees”. Eckhardt 1987.
    • “P. paniscus provides a suitable comparison for Australopithecus [Sts.5]; they are similar in body size, postcranial dimensions ... even in cranial & facial features”. Zihlman cs 1978.
    • “A.africanus Sts.5, which... falls well within the range of Pan troglodytes, is markedly prognathous or hyperprognathous”". Ferguson 1989a.
    • In Taung, “I see nothing in the orbits, nasal bones & canine teeth definitely nearer to the human condition than the corresponding parts of the skull of a modern young chimpanzee”. Woodward 1925.
    • “The Taung juvenile seems to resemble a young chimpanzee more closely than it resembles L338y-6”, a juvenile A.boisei. Rak & Howell 1978.
    • “In addition to similarities in facial remodeling it appears that Taung & Australopithecus in general, had maturation periods similar to those of the extant chimpanzee”. Bromage 1985.
    • “I estimate an adult capacity for Taung ranging from 404-420 cm2, with a mean of 412 cm2. Application of Passingham’s curve for brain development in Pan is preferable to that for humans because (a) brain size of early hominids approximates that
    of chimpanzees, (b) the curves for brain volume relative to body weight are essentially parallel in pongids & australopithecines, leading Hofman to conclude that ‘as with pongids, the australopithecines probably differed only in size, not in design’
    ”. Falk 1987.
    • In Taung, “pneumatization has also extended into the zygoma & hard palate. This is intriguing because an intrapalatal extension of the maxillary sinus has only been reported in chimpanzees & robust australopithecines among higher primates”.
    Bromage & Dean 1985.
    • “That the fossil ape Australopithecus [Taung] ‘is distinguished from all living apes by the... unfused nasal bones…’ as claimed by Dart (1940), cannot be maintained in view of the very considerable number of cases of separate nasal bones
    among orang-utans & chimpanzees of ages corresponding to that of Australopithecus”. Schultz 1941.


    As long as many PAs anthropocentrically keep believing that australopiths were closer relatives of us Homo (because "bipedal") than of Pan or Gorilla, they'll never understand hominid evolution, and keep producing nonsense about "bipedal hominins" in
    African savannas.
    *All* early Hominoidea (hylobatids, pongids, hominids) were frequently bipedal, not for running after savanna antelopes, of course (only incredible imbeciles believe such nonsense), but simply for wading upright in swamp forests & climbing arms overhead
    in the branches avobe the swamp, as still seen in orangs, lowland gorillas, chimp & bonobos sometimes.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 04:54:41 2023
    As long as many PAs anthropocentrically keep believing that australopiths were closer relatives of us Homo (because "bipedal") than of Pan or Gorilla, they'll never understand hominid evolution, and keep producing nonsense about "bipedal hominins" in
    African savannas.
    *All* early Hominoidea (hylobatids, pongids, hominids) were frequently bipedal, not for running after savanna antelopes, of course (only incredible imbeciles believe such nonsense), but simply for wading upright in swamp forests & climbing arms
    overhead in the branches avobe the swamp, as still seen in orangs, lowland gorillas, chimp & bonobos sometimes.

    Why these parallel shifts (hylobatids//orang//gorilla//chimp-bonobo) from aquarboreal to arboreal (suspensory)?
    Pleistocene coolings?? other diet?? ...?

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