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  • Lake Turkana domeshield evolution

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 07:14:49 2022
    https://youtu.be/gbIko-zSGog

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to daud.deden@gmail.com on Sat Nov 26 17:40:10 2022
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:14:49 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud.deden@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://youtu.be/gbIko-zSGog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8

    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat Nov 26 13:06:21 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-5, Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:14:49 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://youtu.be/gbIko-zSGog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8

    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

    The San make rope to assemble their domes.
    No non-human hominoid makes rope, nor needs it in their shelter construction. The Mbuti & Baka do not need rope to assemble their domes, nor do the Inuit. https://youtu.be/VIGxcahREjM

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 14:47:55 2022
    kudu runner:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8
    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

    :-DDD
    Why shoud we???
    My little little boy: only kudu runners believe this is relevant to (google) "coastal disersal of Pleistocene Homo".
    Grow up.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat Nov 26 16:37:03 2022
    Pandora wrote:

    "DD'eDeN aka
    note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://youtu.be/gbIko-zSGog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8

    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

    The oldest evidence for artificial housing, and it's far from uncontested,
    is in... France, is it? And it's attributed to Heidelberg Man.

    But of course Africa is merely a preservation bias, where all the houses,
    the DNA and even the rocks -- at least the rocks used in Chimpanzee
    "Tool" industry -- were never preserved. All those millions of Chimpanzee tools, and monkey tools, more like BILLIONS of "Tools"... all that
    rock dissolved along with the fossils, the evidence for housing, the DNA
    the find everywhere else... all dissolved in magical African Fairy Dust.

    Sometimes the evidence you don't have IS important, IS proving something.







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    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/701934020130390016

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to daud.deden@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 10:21:34 2022
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 13:06:21 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud.deden@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-5, Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:14:49 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka
    note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://youtu.be/gbIko-zSGog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8

    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

    The San make rope to assemble their domes.
    No non-human hominoid makes rope, nor needs it in their shelter construction. >The Mbuti & Baka do not need rope to assemble their domes, nor do the Inuit. >https://youtu.be/VIGxcahREjM

    So San dwellings are more sophisticated than tree nests. That's to be
    expected in Homo sapiens. But basically it's still the same kind of
    material and technology.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 11:25:14 2022
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:47:55 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    kudu runner:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8
    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

    :-DDD
    Why shoud we???
    My little little boy: only kudu runners believe this is relevant to (google) >"coastal disersal of Pleistocene Homo".

    Because temporary or permanent dwellings are one of the universal characteristics of Homo sapiens, that possibly evolved from nest
    construction in hominoids, for protection against the elements and
    other dangers, particularly at night.
    If not natural (cave), in its most elementary form best achieved with
    woody and fibrous plant material abundanty available in the
    environment.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 05:10:27 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:47:56 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    kudu runner:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8
    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.
    :-DDD
    Why shoud we???
    My little little boy: only kudu runners believe this is relevant to (google) "coastal disersal of Pleistocene Homo".
    Grow up.
    Googled MV + Kudu, got 10 million hits, googled Lieberman + Kudu, got 3 million hits!?!
    :D

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Nov 27 05:32:21 2022
    On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:21:36 AM UTC-5, Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 13:06:21 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 11:40:11 AM UTC-5, Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:14:49 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka
    note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://youtu.be/gbIko-zSGog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sqDoI5ad8

    Now, try that using shells and fishbones.

    The San make rope to assemble their domes.
    No non-human hominoid makes rope, nor needs it in their shelter construction.
    The Mbuti & Baka do not need rope to assemble their domes, nor do the Inuit.
    https://youtu.be/VIGxcahREjM
    So San dwellings are more sophisticated than tree nests. That's to be expected in Homo sapiens. But basically it's still the same kind of
    material and technology.

    Agree, just derived for wide open grassy areas & with more intricate tech. (Savannah chimps sleep in arboreal bowl nests, savannah baboons sleep in tree forks.)

    Monkeys generally do not break branches to interlace branches, all great hominoids do that. This partial breaking is related to the more advanced process of rope-making and to knot tying, the folding back of a pliable twig or cord (as per the San dome
    video) is functional and non-random, while it is random in other primates (and other fauna) that don't construct similar shelters. I'm not sure if nest-building birds do this, I don't think so, despite their skill. This proclivity would degenerate in a
    species which switched to cave dwelling, I suspect neanderthals and denisovans adapted to caves due to cold winters, and lost the tendency to fold back pliable materials used in shelter-making, rope-making & knot-tying, but did lash items together via
    coiling. Not that non-Hs lacked the ability, but it lost its significance in daily sheltering, while in Hs it became much more important (eg. better wind-proof shelters, hafting stone-wood tools).

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Nov 27 23:26:46 2022
    Pandora wrote:

    Because temporary or permanent dwellings are one of the universal characteristics of Homo sapiens

    Homo sapiens neanderthalensis?

    Homo sapiens heidelbergensis?

    This is far from uncharted territory. It's interdisciplinary. Plenty of archaeology work has already been done, unearthing the evidence
    of settlements, including some pretty crude housing, yet nobody
    has found any evidence for this early housing you speak of.

    They weren't as social? Is that it? Settlements were far smaller or
    even unique to a single structure? No "Village" style settlements?

    The stone rings seen in some of the videos of MODERN people, the
    ones we're pretending are a model for Homo sapiens, would certainly
    have preserved. Where are they?

    Simply put: You're either looking in the wrong place or you're just
    wrong.

    This is science. It's how science works. Evidence. Testing ideas.
    One "Prediction" of your ideas that does lend itself to testing is that
    some of these sites, the locations of these early "Domeshield" or
    gass huts or whatever you want to call them: People living. Cooking.
    Eating. Dying. Making tools. Using tools.

    They should exist. You could find them, if they exist.

    We don't find them. Like the millions of years of Chimp tools, and
    tens of millions of years of monkey tools, they were all gobbled
    up by the invisible pink unicorns....

    Same thing happened to Naledi DNA. And their tools. And all their
    other burial sites... the same invisible pink unicorns got at them,
    ate them all; gobbled them all up.

    Such a shame, those invisible pink unicorns, eating all the evidence.

    Or maybe there's no such thing as invisible pink unicorns and the
    evidence never existed because you're just plain wrong.





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