95%). Most of the pharyngeal teeth recovered in archaeologicalhorizons II-6 L1–7 were spatially associated with ‘phantom’ hearths
Fish!
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-oldest-evidence-cook-food.html
Evidence for the cooking of fish 780,000 years ago at Gesher Benot Ya’aqov, Israel
Abstract
Although cooking is regarded as a key element in the evolutionary
success of the genus Homo, impacting various biological and social
aspects, when intentional cooking first began remains unknown. The
early Middle Pleistocene site of Gesher Benot Ya’aqov, Israel (marine isotope stages 18–20; ~0.78 million years ago), has preserved evidence
of hearth-related hominin activities and large numbers of freshwater
fish remains (>40,000). A taphonomic study and isotopic analyses
revealed significant differences between the characteristics of the
fish bone assemblages recovered in eight sequential archaeological
horizons of Area B (Layer II-6 levels 1–7) and natural fish bone assemblages (identified in Area A). Gesher Benot Ya’aqov
archaeological horizons II-6 L1–7 exhibited low fish species richness, with a clear preference for two species of large Cyprinidae
(Luciobarbus longiceps and Carasobarbus canis) and the almost total
absence of fish bones in contrast to the richness of pharyngeal teeth (>95%). Most of the pharyngeal teeth recovered in archaeological
horizons II-6 L1–7 were spatially associated with ‘phantom’ hearths (clusters of burnt flint microartifacts). Size–strain analysis using
X-ray powder diffraction provided evidence that these teeth had been
exposed to low temperature (<500 °C), suggesting, together with the archaeological and taphonomic data, that the fish from the
archaeological horizons of Area B had been cooked and consumed on
site. This is the earliest evidence of cooking by hominins.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01910-z
On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:36:30 PM UTC-5, Pandora wrote:
Fish!
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-oldest-evidence-cook-food.html
Evidence for the cooking of fish 780,000 years ago at Gesher Benot
Ya’aqov, Israel
Abstract
Although cooking is regarded as a key element in the evolutionary
success of the genus Homo, impacting various biological and social
aspects, when intentional cooking first began remains unknown. The
early Middle Pleistocene site of Gesher Benot Ya’aqov, Israel (marine
isotope stages 18–20; ~0.78 million years ago), has preserved evidence
of hearth-related hominin activities and large numbers of freshwater
fish remains (>40,000). A taphonomic study and isotopic analyses
revealed significant differences between the characteristics of the
fish bone assemblages recovered in eight sequential archaeological
horizons of Area B (Layer II-6 levels 1–7) and natural fish bone
assemblages (identified in Area A). Gesher Benot Ya’aqov
archaeological horizons II-6 L1–7 exhibited low fish species richness,
with a clear preference for two species of large Cyprinidae
(Luciobarbus longiceps and Carasobarbus canis) and the almost total
absence of fish bones in contrast to the richness of pharyngeal teeth
95%). Most of the pharyngeal teeth recovered in archaeologicalhorizons II-6 L1–7 were spatially associated with ‘phantom’ hearths
(clusters of burnt flint microartifacts). Size–strain analysis using
X-ray powder diffraction provided evidence that these teeth had been
exposed to low temperature (<500 °C), suggesting, together with the
archaeological and taphonomic data, that the fish from the
archaeological horizons of Area B had been cooked and consumed on
site. This is the earliest evidence of cooking by hominins.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01910-z
Is this evidence of non-piscivorous diet in Archaic Homo?
How many piscivores cook their fish?
Even chimpanzees have recently been observed crab-fishing
Even chimpanzees have recently been observed crab-fishing
Fish! https://phys.org/news/2022-11-oldest-evidence-cook-food.html Evidence for the cooking of fish 780,000 years ago at Gesher Benot Ya’aqov, Israel
No, early Homo may have already exploited fish and other aquatic
resources 1.95 mya in the Turkana Basin:
Pandora wrote:
No, early Homo may have already exploited fish and other aquaticAnd how did they get there, you suppose?
resources 1.95 mya in the Turkana Basin:
God knows what a paleoanthropologist might claim but allow me to
assure you: They did not fall out of the sky!
Well it turns out that it's actually a very likely destination for any Aquatic Ape population. They've found everything up to whale
fossils in the Turkana Basin, for Christ's sake!
One way you can tell someone is insane is that they keep repeating (regurgitating) the exact same idiocy even long after it's been
refuted..
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/VgQb3EP8k6c/m/gwTJ73b0CgAJ
Previously I introduced the Stingrays:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/bJo--WnrIRs/m/svZoubf0CgAJ
So Stingrays could swim there from the ocean, but an Aquatic Ape
following the coast couldn't follow that same water inland?
Oh, come on! That's idiocy!
-- --GIGO.
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/701137037768753152
GIGO.
Pandora wrote:
No, early Homo may have already exploited fish and other aquatic
resources 1.95 mya in the Turkana Basin:
And how did they get there, you suppose?
God knows what a paleoanthropologist might claim but allow me to
assure you: They did not fall out of the sky!
Well it turns out that it's actually a very likely destination for any >Aquatic Ape population. They've found everything up to whale
fossils in the Turkana Basin, for Christ's sake!
One way you can tell someone is insane is that they keep repeating >(regurgitating) the exact same idiocy even long after it's been
refuted..
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/VgQb3EP8k6c/m/gwTJ73b0CgAJ
Previously I introduced the Stingrays:
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/bJo--WnrIRs/m/svZoubf0CgAJ
So Stingrays could swim there from the ocean, but an Aquatic Ape
following the coast couldn't follow that same water inland?
Fish!
https://phys.org/news/2022-11-oldest-evidence-cook-food.html
Evidence for the cooking of fish 780,000 years ago at Gesher Benot Ya’aqov, Israel
Abstract
Although cooking is regarded as a key element in the evolutionary
success of the genus Homo, impacting various biological and social
aspects, when intentional cooking first began remains unknown. The
early Middle Pleistocene site of Gesher Benot Ya’aqov, Israel (marine isotope stages 18–20; ~0.78 million years ago), has preserved evidence
of hearth-related hominin activities and large numbers of freshwater
fish remains (>40,000). A taphonomic study and isotopic analyses
revealed significant differences between the characteristics of the
fish bone assemblages recovered in eight sequential archaeological
horizons of Area B (Layer II-6 levels 1–7) and natural fish bone assemblages (identified in Area A). Gesher Benot Ya’aqov
archaeological horizons II-6 L1–7 exhibited low fish species richness, with a clear preference for two species of large Cyprinidae
(Luciobarbus longiceps and Carasobarbus canis) and the almost total
absence of fish bones in contrast to the richness of pharyngeal teeth (>95%). Most of the pharyngeal teeth recovered in archaeological
horizons II-6 L1–7 were spatially associated with ‘phantom’ hearths (clusters of burnt flint microartifacts). Size–strain analysis using
X-ray powder diffraction provided evidence that these teeth had been
exposed to low temperature (<500 °C), suggesting, together with the archaeological and taphonomic data, that the fish from the
archaeological horizons of Area B had been cooked and consumed on
site. This is the earliest evidence of cooking by hominins.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01910-z
17 Ma ago, stranded up-river.
Freshwater stingray:
So, it's obvious that the Turkana Basin at times had a drainage to the
Indian Ocean.
So Stingrays could swim there from the ocean, but an Aquatic Ape
following the coast couldn't follow that same water inland?
The problem is that while the stingray and whale have well-established ancestral marine source populations, no such thing is known for
hominins.
Pandora wrote:
17 Ma ago, stranded up-river.When did the outlet to the sea end?
Freshwater stingray:
"The ray apparently evolved into an endemic freshwater species derived from a stock which entered the Turkana Basin from the Indian Ocean at about 1.9 Ma" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229993415_Freshwater_stingrays_from_the_Plio-Pleistocene_of_the_Turkana_Basin_Kenya_and_Ethiopia
Wow. You really stepped into that one!
But why would I even have to point this out? You didn't seriously
believe a "Freshwater Stingray" fell out of the sky one day, landing
in the Turkana Basin.
Or did you?
So, it's obvious that the Turkana Basin at times had a drainage to the Indian Ocean.Go back and read your initial post, for the first time. Check your dating.
So Stingrays could swim there from the ocean, but an Aquatic Ape >following the coast couldn't follow that same water inland?
The problem is that while the stingray and whale have well-established ancestral marine source populations, no such thing is known forExcept for coastal dispersal, the fact that we have 2-million-plus year
hominins.
old tools in China, and they're not even basal tools...
So let me spell it out for you: Waterside, Aquatic Ape, littoral, whatever you want to call it; it's fact. It's how they got across the world.
-- --Silk road.
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/701231935675121664
So Stingrays could swim there from the ocean, but an Aquatic Ape
following the coast couldn't follow that same water inland?
The problem is that while the stingray and whale have well-established
ancestral marine source populations, no such thing is known for
hominins.
Except for coastal dispersal, the fact that we have 2-million-plus year
old tools in China, and they're not even basal tools...
So let me spell it out for you: Waterside, Aquatic Ape, littoral, whatever >you want to call it; it's fact. It's how they got across the world.
You're using tool as a verb
Pandora wrote:
You're using tool as a verb
No. You're a fucking idiot.
Goosfraba.
Pandora wrote:
Goosfraba.
If you're not a screeching narcissist, all you have to do is point
out what ACTION I was identifying as an object. Here. I'll quote
my words:
: Except for coastal dispersal, the fact that we have 2-million-plus year
: old tools in China, and they're not even basal tools...
"Tool" isn't an action here -- as it is in your "He hammered the nut with
a rock." Tool is being used as a noun. So if you're not a screeching >narcissist, admit your stupid mistake.
O, you thought I
Pandora wrote:
O, you thought I
Honest to God, you're a screeching narcissist -- Narcissistic Personality >Disorder. It's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you. You're >not even capable of explaining what YOU mean, as you just demonstrated.
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and
present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of
the following:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is “special†and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration.
5. Has a sense of entitlement (i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations).
6. Is interpersonally exploitative (i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Hmm,"grandiose sense of self-importance", arrogant, haughty behaviors
or attitudes".
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 20:57:10 -0800 (PST), JTEM is so unreasonable <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Pandora wrote:
O, you thought I
Honest to God, you're a screeching narcissist -- Narcissistic Personality >Disorder. It's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you. You're >not even capable of explaining what YOU mean, as you just demonstrated. Let's see what DSM-5-TR has to say about that:
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and
present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of
the following:
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements).
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believes that he or she is “special†and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
people (or institutions).
4. Requires excessive admiration.
5. Has a sense of entitlement (i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations).
6. Is interpersonally exploitative (i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends).
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others.
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of
him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Hmm,"grandiose sense of self-importance", arrogant, haughty behaviors
or attitudes".
Nosce te ipsum, JTEM.
JTEM is so unreasonable
Honest to God, you're a screeching narcissist -- Narcissistic Personality >Disorder. It's a waste of time trying to discuss anything with you. You're >not even capable of explaining what YOU mean, as you just demonstrated.
Let's see what DSM-5-TR has to say about that:
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