• Re: Origin of skiing

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to joh...@aol.com on Wed Oct 6 03:40:19 2021
    On Thursday, March 16, 2006 at 11:27:32 AM UTC-5, joh...@aol.com wrote:
    "Before Scandinavia: These could be the first skiers
    By Robert Marquand | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor"
    The above article, of March 15, mentions a 2000 year old design and
    then mentions skis dating to 4500 years ago, found in Scandanavia.
    New to me. Then discusses the present day use of skis in the Altaian mountains of China, and suggests that the design there might date back
    10000 or 20000 BP. Refers to cave paintings and speculates that skis
    may have been invented there and diffused to Scandanavia.
    About all one can do is speculate on the probabilities here.
    Could stone age people make boards? Article says invention is common
    sense, but not maybe so much so for people who didn't commonly use
    boards. Moreover in heavy timber, snowshoes maybe more flexible, and
    easier for stone age people to make.
    However, while deer move down from the high country in Southern
    Colorado in the present day, I read an account (in fiction) that deer
    will beat paths among willows in areas of moderate snow. Hunters on
    snowshoes easily able to kill the entire herd. Of course, hunters
    needed a large range, so an area could repopulate after this. So we
    can speculate that snowshoes might have been an early invention. Good
    edge for humans over other predators.
    The 10,000 to 20,000 year BP date would allow skis to move with the
    migration into Scandanavia as the glaciers retreated.
    I can't say I was impressed with the author implying telemarking
    is for wimps. Bono and Kennedy proved that there is positive selection against hunters that try to prove their macho to a tree. Of course,
    maybe sexual selection would offset this.
    Also, what do the Altaian cave paintings show, and how are they
    dated.
    So, something for idle speculation, unless someone here has some
    answeres.
    Regards
    John GW

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v404/n6776/full/404382a0.html

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 10:40:48 2021
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v404/n6776/full/404382a0.html

    Besides the fact that it's your customarily random "Cite" -- unrelated to whatever topic you post these things to -- it's also retarded. Upright walking is OLDER, not younger, than the knuckle walking seen in Chimps, and in
    all probability is older than Gorillas as well.

    You got it backwards. Again.








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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to joh...@aol.com on Wed Oct 6 22:45:22 2021
    On Thursday, March 16, 2006 at 11:27:32 AM UTC-5, joh...@aol.com wrote:
    "Before Scandinavia: These could be the first skiers
    By Robert Marquand | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor"
    The above article, of March 15, mentions a 2000 year old design and
    then mentions skis dating to 4500 years ago, found in Scandanavia.
    New to me. Then discusses the present day use of skis in the Altaian mountains of China, and suggests that the design there might date back
    10000 or 20000 BP. Refers to cave paintings and speculates that skis
    may have been invented there and diffused to Scandanavia.
    About all one can do is speculate on the probabilities here.
    Could stone age people make boards? Article says invention is common
    sense, but not maybe so much so for people who didn't commonly use
    boards. Moreover in heavy timber, snowshoes maybe more flexible, and
    easier for stone age people to make.
    However, while deer move down from the high country in Southern
    Colorado in the present day, I read an account (in fiction) that deer
    will beat paths among willows in areas of moderate snow. Hunters on
    snowshoes easily able to kill the entire herd. Of course, hunters
    needed a large range, so an area could repopulate after this. So we
    can speculate that snowshoes might have been an early invention. Good
    edge for humans over other predators.
    The 10,000 to 20,000 year BP date would allow skis to move with the
    migration into Scandanavia as the glaciers retreated.


    http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/2021_10_01_archive.html?m=1#7743171961005545193



    I can't say I was impressed with the author implying telemarking
    is for wimps. Bono and Kennedy proved that there is positive selection against hunters that try to prove their macho to a tree. Of course,
    maybe sexual selection would offset this.
    Also, what do the Altaian cave paintings show, and how are they
    dated.
    So, something for idle speculation, unless someone here has some
    answeres.
    Regards
    John GW

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