I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith.
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703
Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
If it was a real science, we wouldn't be here!
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith.
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703
Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:51:47 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:- https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fossils-upend-conventional-wisdom-about-evolution-of-human-bipedalism/
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith.
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703
Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)Does chptr 4 Bipedal Ape focus on arboreal upright bipedalism or on savannah endurance running?
DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
[...]
Oh, I forgot; you're retarded. You are hear misunderstanding & misrepresenting Aquatic Ape, posting random "Cites" you
never read and couldn't understand anyway...
-- --
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/700122004150517760
People who've mastered breathing through their nose:
"Paleo anthropology is NOT a real science! It's agenda driven,
all about policy and prestige."
Mouth breathers: "Oh yeah how come, um, how come they
misrepresent Aquatic Ape then? If they don't aren't do science
why do they bother pretending that Aquatic Ape hasn't
advanced none in 40 years? Huh? You don't know so WRONG!"
-- --
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/699868931586932736
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith. https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703 Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
And then there's turtles
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 14:51:47 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith.
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703 >> Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
No mentioning of Phillip Tobias?
"we were all profoundly wrong"
DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
And then there's turtlesWhy are you here? You demonstrate ZERO interest in these topics, you
post random, irrelevant "cites" you never read and couldn't understand
anyway AND you engage in infantile behavior.
Go away.
-- --Hold your breath yurtle.
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/700232356642144256
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith.
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703
Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
No mentioning of Phillip Tobias?
Of course Tobias is mentioned, for he is well-known for his detailed description and analysis of such specimens as OH 5 (Paranthropus
boisei) and the Homo habilis material from Olduvai Gorge, in volumes 2
and 4 respectively,
https://www.cambridge.org/9780521105194 https://www.cambridge.org/9780521758864
sources you have never even touched.
I have met Tobias a few times
Op maandag 7 november 2022 om 18:17:59 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" by
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith.
https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703
Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
No mentioning of Phillip Tobias?
Of course Tobias is mentioned, for he is well-known for his detailed
description and analysis of such specimens as OH 5 (Paranthropus
boisei) and the Homo habilis material from Olduvai Gorge, in volumes 2
and 4 respectively,
https://www.cambridge.org/9780521105194
https://www.cambridge.org/9780521758864
sources you have never even touched.
:-DDD
I have met Tobias a few times, my little boy or girl.
Why don't you grow up instead of writing ridiculous nonsense??
Op dinsdag 8 november 2022 om 00:31:56 UTC+1 schreef littor...@gmail.com:
I have met Tobias a few times
One of the luckiest moments in my life when I was waiting for a lecture in the symposium organized by prof.Vaneechoutte in Ghent (see below):
I had written a few articles (see below) arguing that apiths were fossil relatives of Pan & Gorilla rather than of Homo, when prof.Tobias entered the room.
He came straight to me.
I was very very afraid he was going to reproach me to have said "his" fossils (Taung etc.) were fossil bonobos or chimps rather than "hominins",
but he opened his arms & embraced me... :-)
Report of the symposium 'Water and Human Evolution'
Mario Vaneechoutte (Univ.Gent)
2000 Hum.Evol.15:243-251
Anthropologists have found lots of fossil orangs & lots of fossil hominoids, but virtually no fossil relatives of Pan or Gorilla:
they assumed anthropocentrically that all African hominids were "hominins" (i.e. closer relatives of us than of P or G).
This is statistically impossible, of course.
Simple comparisons show indeed that the humanlike traits of apiths were no human innovations, but simply left-overs of the hominid LCA (Pan-Homo-Gorilla),
e.g.
1994 Hum.Evol.9:121-139 "Australopithecines: ancestors of the African apes?"
1996 Hum.Evol.11:35-41 "Morphological distance between australopithecine, human and ape skulls"
1998 in MA Raath cs eds :128-9 "Australopithecine ancestors of African apes?"
Op dinsdag 8 november 2022 om 00:31:56 UTC+1 schreef littor...@gmail.com:
I have met Tobias a few timesOne of the luckiest moments in my life when I was waiting for a lecture in the symposium organized by prof.Vaneechoutte in Ghent (see below):
I had written a few articles (see below) arguing that apiths were fossil relatives of Pan & Gorilla rather than of Homo, when prof.Tobias entered the room.
He came straight to me.
I was very very afraid he was going to reproach me to have said "his" fossils (Taung etc.) were fossil bonobos or chimps rather than "hominins",
but he opened his arms & embraced me... :-)
Report of the symposium 'Water and Human Evolution'
Mario Vaneechoutte (Univ.Gent)
2000 Hum.Evol.15:243-251
Anthropologists have found lots of fossil orangs & lots of fossil hominoids, but virtually no fossil relatives of Pan or
they assumed anthropocentrically that all African hominids were "hominins" (i.e. closer relatives of us than of P or G).
This is statistically impossible, of course.
Simple comparisons show indeed that the humanlike traits of apiths were no human innovations, but simply left-overs of the hominid LCA (Pan-Homo-Gorilla),
e.g.
1994 Hum.Evol.9:121-139 "Australopithecines: ancestors of the African apes?" 1996 Hum.Evol.11:35-41 "Morphological distance between australopithecine, human and ape skulls"
1998 in MA Raath cs eds :128-9 "Australopithecine ancestors of African apes?"
Only incredible imbeciles still believe that
- their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes,
- apiths are human ancestors.
And did you, on such occasions, also meet 'Nutcracker Man' (OH 5),
'Jonny's Child' (OH 7), 'Cinderella' (OH 13), 'George' (OH 16), and
'Twiggy' (OH 24)?
Op zaterdag 5 november 2022 om 14:51:47 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:Admitting you were wrong is just the first step.
I just received a copy of the second edition of "The Human Lineage" byNo mentioning of Phillip Tobias?
Matt Cartmill and Fred Smith. https://www.wiley.com/en-us/The+Human+Lineage%2C+2nd+Edition-p-9781119086703
Such a textbook should be representative of the field, right?
The reference section is over 100 pages long, but not a single
reference to Hardy, Vaneechoutte, Kuliukas, Verhaegen, etc., and only
one to Elaine Morgan (1982, The Aquatic Ape).
Where's the paradigm shift?! ;-)
"we were all profoundly wrong"
Some netloon:
And did you, on such occasions, also meet 'Nutcracker Man' (OH 5), 'Jonny's Child' (OH 7), 'Cinderella' (OH 13), 'George' (OH 16), and 'Twiggy' (OH 24)?:-DDD
My little child, why don't you inform a *little* bit before talking such nonsense:
a few of my publications on these fossils:
1985 Med Hypoth 16:17-32 "The aquatic ape theory: evidence and a possible scenario"
1986 E Morgan, -- New Scient 1498:62-63 "In the beginning was the water" 1986 Marswin 7:64-69 "Een korte inleiding tot de waterapentheorie"
1987 Nature 325:305-6 "Origin of hominid bipedalism"
1987 Marswin 8:142-151 "Vertonen de fossiele hominiden tekens van wateraanpassing?"
1990 Hum Evol 5:295-7 "African ape ancestry"
1991 Med Hypoth 35:108-114 "Aquatic ape theory and fossil hominids"
1991 in M Roede cs eds :75-112 "Aquatic features in fossil hominids?"
1992 Hum Evol 7:63-64 "Did robust australopithecines partly feed on hard parts of Gramineae?"
1992 Language Origins Society Forum 15:17-18 "KNM-ER 1470 and KNM-ER 1805 endocasts"
1993 Nutr Health 9:165-191 "Aquatic versus savanna: comparative and paleo-environmental evidence"
1994 Hum Evol 9:121-139 "Australopithecines: ancestors of the African apes?" 1996 Hum Evol 11:35-41 "Morphological distance between australopithecine, human and ape skulls"
1997 Hadewijch Antwerp 220pp "In den Beginne was het Water – Nieuwste Inzichten in de Evolutie van de Mens"
1997 R Bender, --, N Oser Anthropol Anz 55:1-14 "Der Erwerb menschlicher Bipedie aus der Sicht der Aquatic Ape Theory"
1997 New Scient 2091:53 "Sweaty humans"
1998 in MA Raath cs eds :128-9 "Australopithecine ancestors of African apes?" 1998 --, P-F Puech ib.:47 "Wetland apes: hominid palaeo-environment and diet"
1999 --, N McPhail, S Munro ESS Newsletter 50:4-12 "Bipedalism in chimpanzee and gorilla forebears"
1999 --, S Munro Water & Human Evolution Symposium Univ Gent :11-23 "Australopiths wading? Homo diving?"
2000 --, P-F Puech Hum Evol 15:175-186 "Hominid lifestyle and diet reconsidered: paleo-environmental and comparative data"
2002 --, P-F Puech, S Munro Trends Ecol Evol 17:212-7 "Aquarboreal ancestors?"
2007 --, S Munro in SI Muñoz ed.:1-4 "New directions in palaeoanthropology" 2011 --, S Munro, P-F Puech, M Vaneechoutte ib.:67-81 "Early Hominoids: orthograde aquarboreals in flooded forests?"
2013 Hum Evol 28:237-266 "The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis"
Some netloon:
And did you, on such occasions, also meet 'Nutcracker Man' (OH 5),
'Jonny's Child' (OH 7), 'Cinderella' (OH 13), 'George' (OH 16), and
'Twiggy' (OH 24)?
:-DDD
My little child, why don't you inform a *little* bit before talking such nonsense:
a few of my publications on these fossils:
1985 Med Hypoth 16:17-32 "The aquatic ape theory: evidence and a possible scenario"
1986 E Morgan, -- New Scient 1498:62-63 "In the beginning was the water" >1986 Marswin 7:64-69 "Een korte inleiding tot de waterapentheorie"
1987 Nature 325:305-6 "Origin of hominid bipedalism"
1987 Marswin 8:142-151 "Vertonen de fossiele hominiden tekens van wateraanpassing?"
1990 Hum Evol 5:295-7 "African ape ancestry"
1991 Med Hypoth 35:108-114 "Aquatic ape theory and fossil hominids"
1991 in M Roede cs eds :75-112 "Aquatic features in fossil hominids?"
1992 Hum Evol 7:63-64 "Did robust australopithecines partly feed on hard parts of Gramineae?"
1992 Language Origins Society Forum 15:17-18 "KNM-ER 1470 and KNM-ER 1805 endocasts"
1993 Nutr Health 9:165-191 "Aquatic versus savanna: comparative and paleo-environmental evidence"
1994 Hum Evol 9:121-139 "Australopithecines: ancestors of the African apes?" >1996 Hum Evol 11:35-41 "Morphological distance between australopithecine, human and ape skulls"
1997 Hadewijch Antwerp 220pp "In den Beginne was het Water – Nieuwste Inzichten in de Evolutie van de Mens"
1997 R Bender, --, N Oser Anthropol Anz 55:1-14 "Der Erwerb menschlicher Bipedie aus der Sicht der Aquatic Ape Theory"
1997 New Scient 2091:53 "Sweaty humans"
1998 in MA Raath cs eds :128-9 "Australopithecine ancestors of African apes?"
1998 --, P-F Puech ib.:47 "Wetland apes: hominid palaeo-environment and diet"
1999 --, N McPhail, S Munro ESS Newsletter 50:4-12 "Bipedalism in chimpanzee and gorilla forebears"
1999 --, S Munro Water & Human Evolution Symposium Univ Gent :11-23 "Australopiths wading? Homo diving?"
2000 --, P-F Puech Hum Evol 15:175-186 "Hominid lifestyle and diet reconsidered: paleo-environmental and comparative data"
2002 --, P-F Puech, S Munro Trends Ecol Evol 17:212-7 "Aquarboreal ancestors?"
2007 --, S Munro in SI Muñoz ed.:1-4 "New directions in palaeoanthropology" >2011 --, S Munro, P-F Puech, M Vaneechoutte ib.:67-81 "Early Hominoids: orthograde aquarboreals in flooded forests?"
2013 Hum Evol 28:237-266 "The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis"
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