• Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 14 15:33:40 2022
    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis

    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.

    ______

    Excellent study.
    The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sat Oct 15 05:43:59 2022
    On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 6:33:41 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis

    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.

    ______

    Excellent study.
    The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    It also shows slow terrestrial fauna have denser bones than arboreal fauna. Central West Africans have the densest bones of all extant Homo, they are terrestrial and avoid open water due to crocs& hippos.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 19 00:00:20 2022
    Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2022 om 14:44:01 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA. By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    ______
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology: comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    It also shows slow terrestrial fauna have denser bones than arboreal fauna. Central West Africans have the densest bones of all extant Homo ...

    Of course, but only archaic Homo had pachyosteosclerosis: erecus>neand.>sapiens=0.
    Only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors (heavy bones) ran after antelopes.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Wed Oct 19 16:12:23 2022
    On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:00:22 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2022 om 14:44:01 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    ______
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology: comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    It also shows slow terrestrial fauna have denser bones than arboreal fauna. Central West Africans have the densest bones of all extant Homo ...

    Of course, but only archaic Homo had pachyosteosclerosis: erecus>neand.>sapiens=0.
    Only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors (heavy bones) ran after antelopes.

    Central West African manatees have dense bones too, no cancellous rib bones, unlike Homo.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 20 04:22:30 2022
    Op donderdag 20 oktober 2022 om 01:12:24 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    ______
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology: comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    It also shows slow terrestrial fauna have denser bones than arboreal fauna.
    Central West Africans have the densest bones of all extant Homo ...

    Of course, but only archaic Homo had pachyosteosclerosis: erecus>neand.>sapiens=0.
    Only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors (heavy bones) ran after antelopes.

    Central West African manatees have dense bones too, no cancellous rib bones, unlike Homo.

    :-DDD Are you really so stupid that you think Homo lived like manatees??? Already caught your antelope, my little boy?

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Thu Oct 20 17:42:54 2022
    On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:22:31 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op donderdag 20 oktober 2022 om 01:12:24 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    ______
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology: comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    It also shows slow terrestrial fauna have denser bones than arboreal fauna.
    Central West Africans have the densest bones of all extant Homo ...

    Of course, but only archaic Homo had pachyosteosclerosis: erecus>neand.>sapiens=0.
    Only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors (heavy bones) ran after antelopes.

    Central West African manatees have dense bones too, no cancellous rib bones, unlike Homo.
    :-DDD Are you really so stupid that you think Homo lived like manatees??? Already caught your antelope, my little boy?
    Humans live along CW African rainforest streams, manatees live along CW African streams, both are dense boned, neithwr are marine.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Fri Oct 21 14:43:31 2022
    On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis

    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.

    ______

    Excellent study.
    The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique and distinctly
    different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone. It is
    not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 22 06:48:55 2022
    Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2022 om 14:43:36 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA. >By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology: >comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?
    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Oct 23 14:59:29 2022
    On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 06:48:55 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2022 om 14:43:36 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA. >> >By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?

    Bernard Wood in Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4: Hominid Cranial
    Remains. Clarendon Press, Oxford 1991:

    "The evidence of the cranial vault suggest that KNM-ER 1808 belongs to
    the same hypodigm as KNM-ER 3733 and 3883. Consideration of the
    preserved morphology seen in the mandible and dentition gives further
    support for such an assessment.

    Taxonomic attribution: Homo aff. H. erectus"

    African H. erectus also considered a separate taxon, H. ergaster.

    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?

    "The appendicular skeleton shows striking pathology, consisting
    of subperiosteal diaphyseal deposit of coarse-woven bone.
    The new bone, 7.0 mm thick in places, thins towards the metaphyses.
    There is minimal endocranial involvement. Ground thin
    sections of the tibial shaft (Fig. 2) show pathology confined to
    the outermost cortex, which has given rise locally to new bone.
    The sharply demarcated, coarse-woven new bone contains
    enlarged, sub-spherical and randomly placed lacunae. There is
    no evidence of abnormal remodelling of the underlying bone.
    The dense mineralization of the specimen accounts for the fine
    histological preservation, but precludes satisfactory radiological examination."
    https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 23 06:16:55 2022
    Op zondag 23 oktober 2022 om 14:59:30 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?

    Bernard Wood in Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4: Hominid Cranial Remains. Clarendon Press, Oxford 1991:
    "The evidence of the cranial vault suggest that KNM-ER 1808 belongs to
    the same hypodigm as KNM-ER 3733 and 3883. Consideration of the
    preserved morphology seen in the mandible and dentition gives further support for such an assessment.
    Taxonomic attribution: Homo aff. H. erectus"
    African H. erectus also considered a separate taxon, H. ergaster.
    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?
    "The appendicular skeleton shows striking pathology, consisting
    of subperiosteal diaphyseal deposit of coarse-woven bone.
    The new bone, 7.0 mm thick in places, thins towards the metaphyses.
    There is minimal endocranial involvement. Ground thin
    sections of the tibial shaft (Fig. 2) show pathology confined to
    the outermost cortex, which has given rise locally to new bone.
    The sharply demarcated, coarse-woven new bone contains
    enlarged, sub-spherical and randomly placed lacunae. There is
    no evidence of abnormal remodelling of the underlying bone.
    The dense mineralization of the specimen accounts for the fine
    histological preservation, but precludes satisfactory radiological examination."
    https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

    Thanks a lot, Pandora.

    My comment there was:
    Very interesting article, but the "explanation" of hypervitaminosis A is far-fetched, impossible and unnecessary: most likely it was no pathology at all, but pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS): like all other mammals with POS, H.erectus (always found at lakes
    or coasts) regularly dived for shallow-aquatic foods. This also explains erectus' early-Pleistocene intercontinental dispersal (along the Indian Ocean coasts), his platycephaly, very wide body (flaring ilia), spectacular brain enlargement (
    docosahexaenoid acid DHA in aquatic foods), development of stone tool use (most likely H.erectus frequently dived for shellfish), etc. Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo 2018 PPT".

    And from my new book:
    Het Turkana-meer, zegt José’s mooie proefschrift, was toen (~1,8 Ma) veel rijker aan eetbare schelpdieren dan nu. Er leefden blijkbaar tenminste 3 soorten hominiden: de Gorilla-achtige boisei, de Homo-achtige ergaster, en de Pan-achtige habilis (resp.
    bv. ER-406, ER-3733 en ER-1813). Was boisei een 'draslandgorilla' met papyrus-dieet? ergaster een schelpdieretende Homo of misschien zelfs Pan uit Indische Oceaankusten? en sommige habilis fruitetende bonobo-verwanten uit Oost-Afrikaanse kustbossen, die
    kleiner werden, zodat hun dieet minder overlapte met boisei en ergaster? Totaal onzeker.(uncertain)


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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Oct 23 15:58:20 2022
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 06:16:55 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op zondag 23 oktober 2022 om 14:59:30 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?

    Bernard Wood in Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4: Hominid Cranial
    Remains. Clarendon Press, Oxford 1991:
    "The evidence of the cranial vault suggest that KNM-ER 1808 belongs to
    the same hypodigm as KNM-ER 3733 and 3883. Consideration of the
    preserved morphology seen in the mandible and dentition gives further
    support for such an assessment.
    Taxonomic attribution: Homo aff. H. erectus"
    African H. erectus also considered a separate taxon, H. ergaster.
    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?
    "The appendicular skeleton shows striking pathology, consisting
    of subperiosteal diaphyseal deposit of coarse-woven bone.
    The new bone, 7.0 mm thick in places, thins towards the metaphyses.
    There is minimal endocranial involvement. Ground thin
    sections of the tibial shaft (Fig. 2) show pathology confined to
    the outermost cortex, which has given rise locally to new bone.
    The sharply demarcated, coarse-woven new bone contains
    enlarged, sub-spherical and randomly placed lacunae. There is
    no evidence of abnormal remodelling of the underlying bone.
    The dense mineralization of the specimen accounts for the fine
    histological preservation, but precludes satisfactory radiological
    examination."
    https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

    Thanks a lot, Pandora.

    My comment there was:
    Very interesting article, but the "explanation" of hypervitaminosis A is far-fetched,

    It was the most likely diagnosis arrived at by a team of medical
    doctors at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, a world-class medical
    institution, presented with the case (see Chapter 8 "Food for Thought"
    in "The Wisdom of the Bones" by Alan Walker and Pat Shipman. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/184866/the-wisdom-of-the-bones-by-alan-walker-and-pat-shipman/

    impossible and unnecessary: most likely it was no pathology at all, but pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS):
    like all other mammals with POS, H.erectus (always found at lakes or coasts) regularly dived for
    shallow-aquatic foods. This also explains erectus' early-Pleistocene intercontinental dispersal
    (along the Indian Ocean coasts), his platycephaly, very wide body (flaring ilia), spectacular brain
    enlargement (docosahexaenoid acid DHA in aquatic foods), development of stone tool use
    (most likely H.erectus frequently dived for shellfish), etc. Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo 2018 PPT".

    Your hypothesis can be rejected on the basis that there is a sharp
    demarcation between normal and coarse-woven "pathological" bone, which indicates an abrupt onset later in life of the conditions responsable
    for the change in histology, not the result of a long-term,
    genetically determined, ecological adaptation expressed from an early
    age, and on the basis that this condition is unique to this specimen.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 23 09:31:10 2022
    Op zondag 23 oktober 2022 om 15:58:25 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?

    Bernard Wood in Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4: Hominid Cranial
    Remains. Clarendon Press, Oxford 1991:
    "The evidence of the cranial vault suggest that KNM-ER 1808 belongs to
    the same hypodigm as KNM-ER 3733 and 3883. Consideration of the
    preserved morphology seen in the mandible and dentition gives further
    support for such an assessment.
    Taxonomic attribution: Homo aff. H. erectus"
    African H. erectus also considered a separate taxon, H. ergaster.
    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?
    "The appendicular skeleton shows striking pathology, consisting
    of subperiosteal diaphyseal deposit of coarse-woven bone.
    The new bone, 7.0 mm thick in places, thins towards the metaphyses.
    There is minimal endocranial involvement. Ground thin
    sections of the tibial shaft (Fig. 2) show pathology confined to
    the outermost cortex, which has given rise locally to new bone.
    The sharply demarcated, coarse-woven new bone contains
    enlarged, sub-spherical and randomly placed lacunae. There is
    no evidence of abnormal remodelling of the underlying bone.
    The dense mineralization of the specimen accounts for the fine
    histological preservation, but precludes satisfactory radiological
    examination."
    https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

    Thanks a lot, Pandora.
    My comment there was:
    Very interesting article, but the "explanation" of hypervitaminosis A is far-fetched,

    It was the most likely diagnosis arrived at by a team of medical

    Yes, only because they assumed that ER-1808 was a close human relative, and they saw his bone histology was different from ours.
    It's highly unlikely that a "diseased" creature would have survived.
    Very dense bone in other animals is always an indication of aquatic habits.
    We must consider the most likely explanation.


    doctors at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, a world-class medical
    institution, presented with the case (see Chapter 8 "Food for Thought"
    in "The Wisdom of the Bones" by Alan Walker and Pat Shipman. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/184866/the-wisdom-of-the-bones-by-alan-walker-and-pat-shipman/

    impossible and unnecessary: most likely it was no pathology at all, but pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS):
    like all other mammals with POS, H.erectus (always found at lakes or coasts) regularly dived for
    shallow-aquatic foods. This also explains erectus' early-Pleistocene intercontinental dispersal
    (along the Indian Ocean coasts), his platycephaly, very wide body (flaring ilia), spectacular brain
    enlargement (docosahexaenoid acid DHA in aquatic foods), development of stone tool use
    (most likely H.erectus frequently dived for shellfish), etc. Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo 2018 PPT".

    Your hypothesis can be rejected on the basis that there is a sharp demarcation between normal and coarse-woven "pathological" bone, which indicates an abrupt onset later in life of the conditions responsable
    for the change in histology, not the result of a long-term,
    genetically determined, ecological adaptation expressed from an early
    age, and on the basis that this condition is unique to this specimen.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Mon Oct 24 19:26:01 2022
    On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 09:31:10 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op zondag 23 oktober 2022 om 15:58:25 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A,
    - gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology:
    comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?

    Bernard Wood in Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4: Hominid Cranial
    Remains. Clarendon Press, Oxford 1991:
    "The evidence of the cranial vault suggest that KNM-ER 1808 belongs to
    the same hypodigm as KNM-ER 3733 and 3883. Consideration of the
    preserved morphology seen in the mandible and dentition gives further
    support for such an assessment.
    Taxonomic attribution: Homo aff. H. erectus"
    African H. erectus also considered a separate taxon, H. ergaster.
    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?
    "The appendicular skeleton shows striking pathology, consisting
    of subperiosteal diaphyseal deposit of coarse-woven bone.
    The new bone, 7.0 mm thick in places, thins towards the metaphyses.
    There is minimal endocranial involvement. Ground thin
    sections of the tibial shaft (Fig. 2) show pathology confined to
    the outermost cortex, which has given rise locally to new bone.
    The sharply demarcated, coarse-woven new bone contains
    enlarged, sub-spherical and randomly placed lacunae. There is
    no evidence of abnormal remodelling of the underlying bone.
    The dense mineralization of the specimen accounts for the fine
    histological preservation, but precludes satisfactory radiological
    examination."
    https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

    Thanks a lot, Pandora.
    My comment there was:
    Very interesting article, but the "explanation" of hypervitaminosis A is far-fetched,

    It was the most likely diagnosis arrived at by a team of medical

    Yes, only because they assumed that ER-1808 was a close human relative,

    The doctors were told only that she was an adult female of African
    ancestry.
    You don't think H. erectus/ergaster was a close human relative?

    and they saw his bone histology was different from ours.

    and different from other H. erectus, but only immediately
    subperiostal.

    It's highly unlikely that a "diseased" creature would have survived.

    The doctors were told the patient likely died of the disease.
    However, hypervitaminosis doesn't cause instant death. With a little
    help from social conspecifics you may survive for weeks, during which
    the subperiostal bone could have been deposited.

    Very dense bone in other animals is always an indication of aquatic habits. >We must consider the most likely explanation.

    In the case of extinct taxa not without consideration of macroanatomy
    and the taphonomic and ecological context.
    For example, the extinct sloth Thalassocnus was first considered
    aquatic on the basis of taphonomic arguments and macroanatomy of
    postcranial bones, only later confirmed by osteosclerosis and
    pachyostosis.

    https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2014.0192

    In H. erectus the taphonomic, ecological, and macroanatomical context
    are not indicative of a habitual aquatic lifestyle.

    doctors at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, a world-class medical
    institution, presented with the case (see Chapter 8 "Food for Thought"
    in "The Wisdom of the Bones" by Alan Walker and Pat Shipman.
    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/184866/the-wisdom-of-the-bones-by-alan-walker-and-pat-shipman/

    impossible and unnecessary: most likely it was no pathology at all, but pachy-osteo-sclerosis (POS):
    like all other mammals with POS, H.erectus (always found at lakes or coasts) regularly dived for
    shallow-aquatic foods. This also explains erectus' early-Pleistocene intercontinental dispersal
    (along the Indian Ocean coasts), his platycephaly, very wide body (flaring ilia), spectacular brain
    enlargement (docosahexaenoid acid DHA in aquatic foods), development of stone tool use
    (most likely H.erectus frequently dived for shellfish), etc. Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo 2018 PPT".

    Your hypothesis can be rejected on the basis that there is a sharp
    demarcation between normal and coarse-woven "pathological" bone, which
    indicates an abrupt onset later in life of the conditions responsable
    for the change in histology, not the result of a long-term,
    genetically determined, ecological adaptation expressed from an early
    age, and on the basis that this condition is unique to this specimen.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 24 15:47:40 2022
    Op maandag 24 oktober 2022 om 19:26:03 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

    A Critical Examination of the Bone Pathology on KNM-ER 1808, a 1.6 Million Year Old Homo erectus from Koobi Fora, Kenya
    Sean G Dolan 2011 Masters Thesis
    Despite extensive study of the bone pathology that includes periosteal reaction & cortical bone-thickening on the 1.6 Ma H.erectus partial skeleton ER-1808, there is still no consensus on the cause of pathogenesis.
    This Master’s thesis employed a more holistic approach than those taken previously,
    it utilized evidence from Plio-Pleistocene archaeology, paleo-enviornmental studies & genetics, to infer the cause of bone pathology in ER-1808.
    Previous studieshave diagnosed ER-1808 as having hypervit.A (Walker cs 1982), yaws Treponema pertenue (Rothschild cs 1995) & sickle-cell anemia (Jefferson 2004).
    Symptoms of these diseases include
    - periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening for hypervit.A, >> >> >> >- gummatous lesions, frontal bone lesions, periosteal reaction, tibial bowing & periosteal reaction for yaws,
    - peri-osteal reaction, cortical bone thickening & tibial bowing for SCA.
    By synthesizing the literature about multiple aspects of the early-Pleistocene, and from gross analysis of casts, X-rays & photos of ER-1808 & the proposed diseases, this research provides ample evidence to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    The hypervit.A diagnosis cannot be excluded or corroborated based on this research: the skeletal samplesize is small & inaccessible.
    ER-1808 postcrania do not show any of the hallmark features of a treponemal infection or SCA.
    Rothschild cs (1995) should not have provided a Treponema specific diagnosis: it is ill-advised to do so based on 1 partial skeleton or bone (Hackett 1976, Ortner & Putschar1981, Webb 1995, Meyer cs 2002).
    ER-1808 only shows periosteal reaction & cortical bone thickening, which do not warrant a diagnosis for a treponemal infection or SCA.
    ER-1808's climate is not conducive to yaws: he lived in an arid, dry climate, that had little rain, and she lived mostly through drought.
    Genetics also refutes a diagnosis of a treponemal infection or SCA (Harper cs 2008, de Melo cs 2010, Liu cs 2010).
    This research is significant because it updates the paleo-pathological & paleo-anthropological literature with new data from genetics & paleo-enviornmental studies to refute the yaws & SCA diagnosis.
    _____
    Excellent study. The explanation is simple: it was no pathology: >> >> >> >comparative anatomy shows thick & dense cortical bone is an adaptation to slow & shallow diving.

    The histology of the "woven" bone in ER-1808 is unique, distinctly different from the normal Haversian structure of cortical bone.
    It is not seen in any other Homo erectus.

    IOW, was ER-1808 no H.erectus s.s.?

    Bernard Wood in Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4: Hominid Cranial >> >> Remains. Clarendon Press, Oxford 1991:
    "The evidence of the cranial vault suggest that KNM-ER 1808 belongs to >> >> the same hypodigm as KNM-ER 3733 and 3883. Consideration of the
    preserved morphology seen in the mandible and dentition gives further >> >> support for such an assessment.
    Taxonomic attribution: Homo aff. H. erectus"
    African H. erectus also considered a separate taxon, H. ergaster.
    Do you have more (comparative or other) information ER-1808's bone histology?
    "The appendicular skeleton shows striking pathology, consisting
    of subperiosteal diaphyseal deposit of coarse-woven bone.
    The new bone, 7.0 mm thick in places, thins towards the metaphyses.
    There is minimal endocranial involvement. Ground thin
    sections of the tibial shaft (Fig. 2) show pathology confined to
    the outermost cortex, which has given rise locally to new bone.
    The sharply demarcated, coarse-woven new bone contains
    enlarged, sub-spherical and randomly placed lacunae. There is
    no evidence of abnormal remodelling of the underlying bone.
    The dense mineralization of the specimen accounts for the fine
    histological preservation, but precludes satisfactory radiological
    examination." https://www.nature.com/articles/296248a0

    Thanks a lot, Pandora. My comment there was:
    Very interesting article, but the "explanation" of hypervitaminosis A is far-fetched,

    It was the most likely diagnosis arrived at by a team of medical

    Yes, only because they assumed that ER-1808 was a close human relative,

    The doctors were told only that she was an adult female of African ancestry. You don't think H. erectus/ergaster was a close human relative?

    Yes, it was Homo, but there's evolution: we're not very aquatic any more.

    and they saw his bone histology was different from ours.
    and different from other H.erectus, but only immediately subperiostal.

    Yes, knuckle-walking in Pan & Gorilla is also very different.

    It's highly unlikely that a "diseased" creature would have survived.

    The doctors were told the patient likely died of the disease.

    were told? Shouldn't the doctors judge that?

    However, hypervitaminosis doesn't cause instant death. With a little
    help from social conspecifics you may survive for weeks, during which
    the subperiostal bone could have been deposited.

    No need for all this: it was no disease, but a (re?)adaptation to regular slow+shallow diving (for shellfish?).

    Very dense bone in other animals is always an indication of aquatic habits. >We must consider the most likely explanation.

    In the case of extinct taxa not without consideration of macroanatomy
    and the taphonomic and ecological context.
    For example, the extinct sloth Thalassocnus was first considered
    aquatic on the basis of taphonomic arguments and macroanatomy of
    postcranial bones, only later confirmed by osteosclerosis and
    pachyostosis. https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2014.0192

    Yes, it was indeed a slow+shallow diver.

    In H.erectus the taphonomic, ecological, and macroanatomical context
    are not indicative of a habitual aquatic lifestyle.

    No, no, to the contrary: every H.erectus fossil is found next to water, e.g. "Homo erectus at Trinil on Java used shells for tool production and engraving" José Joordens ... Stephen Munro ... cs 2015 10.1038/nature13962
    ... Here we report on a fossil freshwater shell assemblage from the Hauptknochenschicht ('main bone layer') of Trinil (Java), the type locality of H.erectus discovered by Eugène Dubois in 1891 ... we found evidence for freshwater shellfish consumption
    by hominins ...

    Google "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo".

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