Hominoids are arboreal bipeds, monkeys are arboreal quadrupeds (some crossover).

Asian apes are non-group arboreal bipeds (primitive hominoid).

African apes are group arboreal bipeds, but group terrestrial bipeds, chimps & gorillas re-adopted knucklewalking as quadrupeds over open areas (predator evasion) due to prolonged arid climate.

Monkeys are group terrestrial quadrupeds.

Humans are group terrestrial bipeds, avoiding the open areas during prolonged arid climate, in part because of their habit of group gathering yet parent-child sheltering.

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somebody:

Hominoids are arboreal bipeds, monkeys are arboreal quadrupeds (some crossover).

Miocene Hominoidea were aquarboreal bipeds, of course,
google our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancstors?".

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On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:21:50 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

somebody:

Hominoids are arboreal bipeds, monkeys are arboreal quadrupeds (some crossover).

Miocene Hominoidea were aquarboreal bipeds, of course,
google our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancstors?".

(nonsense snipped)

Hylobatids never waded.

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Op maandag 3 oktober 2022 om 01:55:25 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

Hylobatids never waded.

My little boy, who's interested in what the most ridiculous fool here believes??
Just read our TREE article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (google).

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On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:43:18 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

Op maandag 3 oktober 2022 om 01:55:25 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

Hylobatids never waded.

My little boy, who's interested in what the most ridiculous fool here believes??
Just read our TREE article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (google).

Wading gibbons??

:DDD

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Somebody:

Wading gibbons??

Just read our TREE article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (google).

Gibbons & siamangs
- are vertical below-branchers,
- have arms much longer than legs,
- remarkably long gestation periods.

Early-Miocene Hominoidea (vs monkeys) became upright when wading upright in swamp forests,
where they began climbing arms overhead in the branches above the swamps.

:-) Obvious: early hominoids were more bipedal.
Google "aquarboreal" (aqua=water, arbor=tree).

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On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 6:26:09 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

Somebody:

Wading gibbons??

Just read our TREE article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (google).
Gibbons & siamangs
- are vertical below-branchers,
- have arms much longer than legs,
- remarkably long gestation periods.

Early-Miocene Hominoidea (vs monkeys) became upright when wading upright in swamp forests,
where they began climbing arms overhead in the branches above the swamps.

:-) Obvious: early hominoids were more bipedal.
Google "aquarboreal" (aqua=water, arbor=tree).

Wading gibbons???

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Somebody:

Wading gibbons??

Of course, hylobatids had aquarboreal ancestors:
how else did they evolve from above- to below-branchers??
Read our TREE article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (google).

Gibbons & siamangs
- are below-branchers,
- have arms much longer than legs,
- vertical spines,
- remarkably long gestation periods.
Early-Miocene Hominoidea (vs monkeys) became upright when wading upright in swamp forests,
where they began climbing arms overhead in the branches above the swamps.

:-) Obvious: hominoid ancestors were more bipedal.
Only self-declared "anthropologists" (pseudo-scientists) don't see this.
Google "aquarboreal" (aqua=water, arbor=tree).

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On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 6:30:33 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

Somebody:

Wading gibbons??

Of course, hylobatids had

Terrestrio-Arboreal ancestors

Gibbons & siamangs

- are below-branchers,

Upright bipedal walkers, with divergent hallux grasping branches beneath while hand-plucking fruit above, foraging trait shared by all hominoids.

Slow brachiation in LCA Hominoid, fast bimanual brachiation in extant hylobatids, fast bipedal locomotion in extant Homo.

Terrestrio-Arboreal Forms:

Such animals may nest in the trees with more or less extensive terrestrial excursion during daytime or they may climb for food and live on the earth unless impelled by hunger and enemies

(iii) Arboreal Forms Swinging by the Fore Limbs or Brachiates:

These forms progress by means of the fore limbs swinging with great speed, e.g., primates like apes, gibbon, orangutans

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Somebody:

Wading gibbons??

Of course,

only ex-aquarborealism explains why hylobatids are vertical, and have arms longer than legs:
google "aquarboreal ancestors".

Terrestrio-Arboreal ancestors

:-DDD
Nobody is interested in your fairy tales, my little boy. Grow up.

I predicted wading gorilla ancestors already a few several years before the wading gorillas of Ndoki were described.
Now we know not only Goirlla, but also Pan & Pongo had wading ancestors:
google "gorilla Ndoki", "bonobo wading", orangutan wading" etc.
Lesser apes left the swamp forests much earlier (Pliocene?) than great apes, who still wade occasionally (in spite of Pleistocene coolings).
It's not difficult: Miocene Hominoidea waded bipedally in forest swamps, and clmbed arms overhead in the branches above the swamp.
What we still don't know are the details, e.g. where these swamp forests mangroves? other swamps?

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On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 10:34:13 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

Somebody:

Wading gibbons??

Of course,

only ex-aquarborealism explains why hylobatids are vertical, and have arms longer than legs:
google "aquarboreal ancestors".

Terrestrio-Arboreal ancestors

:-DDD
Nobody is interested in your fairy tales, my little boy. Grow up.

I predicted wading gorilla ancestors already a few several years before the wading gorillas of Ndoki were described.
Now we know not only Goirlla, but also Pan & Pongo had wading ancestors: google "gorilla Ndoki", "bonobo wading", orangutan wading" etc.
Lesser apes left the swamp forests much earlier (Pliocene?) than great apes, who still wade occasionally (in spite of Pleistocene coolings).
It's not difficult: Miocene Hominoidea waded bipedally in forest swamps, and clmbed arms overhead in the branches above the swamp.
What we still don't know are the details, e.g. where these swamp forests mangroves? other swamps?

Wading gibbons?? AMHs are typical aquatic animals?? Silly mermaid.

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