• Life the Universe and Everything

    From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 20 13:43:13 2022
    https://uapro.tumblr.com/post/692166849732935680/the-fermi-paradox-bites-snails-from-a-spirited

    It's a screenshot of an exchange, a snippet out of a thread,
    from over in Talk.Origins dating to 2005...

    I for one positively love, Love, LOVE the potential found in
    alien life forms. And it doesn't have to be hyper advanced,
    super intelligent, technological life either. No little green
    men landing and asking that someone to "Take me to your
    leader."

    No, microbes will do just fine. At least for a while. Generations,
    maybe.

    See, we only have one model for evolution, the earth, and
    it's SEVERELY limited by the stupidity of humans. Our
    emotions.

    All humans. No exceptions.

    Humans aren't an intelligent species, we are an emotional
    species that also includes an element of intelligence. But,
    to call humans "Intelligent" is just plain wrong.

    THE OCEAN

    Choose one characteristic by which to describe the ocean.

    Just one.

    It's going to be water. Unless you're an twit, it's water. Saying
    that the ocean is "A large body of water" isn't entirely inaccurate
    but if we were to choose one and only one characteristic then
    water it is.

    "The ocean is a large body of salt."

    Nope. Grossly inaccurate.

    So we call it "Water" even if it's also salt, and life and of course
    other minerals but "Water" is close enough."

    And calling humans "Emotional" is like calling the ocean "Water."
    It's not entirely accurate, there's other components, certainly
    very important components, but all are dwarfed in their
    contribution by emotions... in humans... or water, in the ocean.

    Humans are emotional twits.

    Yes, even you. There are no exceptions.

    Want proof?

    Darwin didn't "Invent" or "Discover" evolution. His greatest
    impact on science was to hold it back for several decades,
    by becoming the face of naturalism and rejecting Mendel, and
    it is DEFINITELY a case that if Darwin had hung himself before
    writing his first book then Wallace & others would have
    published just the same, with extremely little chance of making
    the same errors that Darwin made.

    You knew that?

    Well, Darwin didn't even believe in evolution. Oh, sure, he used
    the word but if you ever heard of this thing called usenet, and
    played on it long enough, you're totally accustomed to people
    using words wrong. You don't even need to be on usenet, it
    happens often enough in real life, we frequently encounter
    people using words wrong, saying things wrong...
    misunderstanding words...

    I mean, when Darwin said "Evolution" he wasn't thinking of
    evolution. No, what he had in his head exactly matched what
    those who REJECTED evolution thought of in it's place.

    Stalin & Mao made Lysenkoism the official "Science" of the
    communist world. People risked their life and certainly their
    freedom for teaching (or even practicing) the Capitalist
    VooDoo of evolution. They taught Lysenkoism in it's place,
    and Lysenkoism was virtually identical to Darwin's one and
    only theory -- Pangenesis -- both being little more than
    plagiarized copies of Lamarckism...

    So, there. Your EMOTIONAL rejection of reality supersedes
    any intelligence you may have. Though you are intellectually
    capable of dealing with the Darwin hoax, you could probably
    even figure it all out on your own, no help from me, you are
    EMOTIONALLY castrated. You can't do it.

    Must.. Defend... Darwin...

    Darwin... god...

    Science... Incarnate...

    And that's the problem right there, lady.

    So if we had alien life, any alien life, we could study it and in
    so doing confirm or dispel a great many notions we now take
    for granted.

    It's not that we humans, all of us humans, impose our a-priori
    assumptions on data & observations, it's that we often (usually,
    always) don't know that we're doing it!

    So from this perspective, it's actually quite possible that so
    called "lower life forms" would be more valuable to us. After all,
    the more highly advanced a species is, the more likely that they
    have shaped the genetics of life on their planet, assuming that
    our concept of "Genetics" even applies.

    We want simple life to study, to show us the actual parameters
    that evolution is working within.

    Look. Even before technology, even being emotional beings with an element of intelligence instead of just intelligent, we humans were
    changing the life around us. Domestication, for example. Extinction.

    So life, even bacterial life from Mars or Ganymede, could harbor
    the potential to completely rewire the human brain, as far as
    leading with our assumptions goes. Or defending a favorite idea
    instead of the soundest conclusion.

    I am genuinely excited about the prospects.


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