https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abq4884
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abq4884
Also, popular press type version https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
Op maandag 22 augustus 2022 om 06:41:42 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:===
Also, popular press type version https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking:-DDD
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
Their study is intersting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
Op maandag 22 augustus 2022 om 06:41:42 UTC+2 schreef Primum Sapienti:
Also, popular press type version https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking:-DDD
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
Their study is intersting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had orthograde ancestors: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our
genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
:-DDD
Their study is interesting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]
: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
Op maandag 22 augustus 2022 om 15:59:24 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our
genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
Rather:-DDDAll hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]
Their study is interesting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
- slow bipedal wading in forest swamp,
- slow climbing in the branches above the swamp.
: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our
genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
:-DDD
Their study is interesting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]
Rather
- slow bipedal wading in forest swamp,
- slow climbing in the branches above the swamp.
: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
Sahelanthropus biped arboreal
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/08/220824120832.htm
Note: the foramen magnum position does not indicate quadru vs bipedalism in hominoids, chimps & gorillas knucklewalk which is derived from archaic arboreal bipedalism.
Op donderdag 25 augustus 2022 om 04:47:46 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our
genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
:-DDD
Their study is interesting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]
Rather
- slow bipedal wading in forest swamp,
- slow climbing in the branches above the swamp.
: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
Sahelanthropus biped arborealYes, bipedal wading + climbing arms overhead
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/08/220824120832.htm
Yes, all hominoids were orthograde aquarborealists.
Note: the foramen magnum position does not indicate quadru vs bipedalism in hominoids, chimps & gorillas knucklewalk which is derived from archaic arboreal bipedalism.:-DDD
My little boy: derived from aquarboreal BPism.
Inform a little bit & google "aquarboreal".
https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our
genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
:-DDD Their study is interesting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]
Rather slow bipedal wading in forest swamp + slow climbing in the branches above the swamp.
: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
Sahelanthropus biped arboreal
Yes, bipedal wading + climbing arms overhead
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/08/220824120832.htm
Yes, all hominoids were orthograde aquarborealists.
Note: the foramen magnum position does not indicate quadru vs bipedalism in hominoids, chimps & gorillas knucklewalk which is derived from archaic arboreal bipedalism.
:-DDD My little boy: derived from aquarboreal BPism.
Inform a little bit & google "aquarboreal".
the new study "makes quite unlikely that the common ancestor we share with the chimpanzees was looking like a chimpanzee," Guy said.
True, it was a quasi-hylobatid, resembling a shorter-armed gibbon.
Op donderdag 25 augustus 2022 om 13:04:54 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
https://www.science.org/content/article/genes-reveal-how-our-pelvis-evolved-upright-walking
... “We think this is really pointing to the origins of bipedalism in our
genome,” Capellini says of his team’s work.
:-DDD Their study is interesting, but can't discern between innovations in Homo & losses in Pan & Gorilla, & v.v.
All hominoids had arboreal bipedal orthograde slow walking, bimanual slow brachiating ancestors. [Fixed]Rather slow bipedal wading in forest swamp + slow climbing in the branches above the swamp.
: not for running over savannas as some imbeciles still believe, of course, but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead in swamp forests.
- Very large brains (more difficult birthing) probably began early-Pleistocene.
- Orthogrady was at least Miocene.
Sahelanthropus biped arboreal
Yes, bipedal wading + climbing arms overhead
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/08/220824120832.htm
Yes, all hominoids were orthograde aquarborealists.
Note: the foramen magnum position does not indicate quadru vs bipedalism in hominoids, chimps & gorillas knucklewalk which is derived from archaic arboreal bipedalism.
:-DDD My little boy: derived from aquarboreal BPism.
Inform a little bit & google "aquarboreal".
the new study "makes quite unlikely that the common ancestor we share with the chimpanzees was looking like a chimpanzee," Guy said.Of course, as we're saying for ages: it didn't knuckle-walk,
but simply waded bipedally & clmibed arms overhead in swamp forests,
google "aquarboreal".
True, it was a quasi-hylobatid, resembling a shorter-armed gibbon.:-DDD
Grow up, my boy!
Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
Op vrijdag 26 augustus 2022 om 02:46:07 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:.
...
Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
Op zondag 28 augustus 2022 om 06:42:58 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
Can't you read well, my little boy? or is it perhaps too difficult for you?? Of course, some monkeys wade occasionally (those that wade more frequently such as Nasalis concolor evolve shorter tails),Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
but early Hominoidea were most of the time during the day wading bipedally in forest swamps:
they evolved orthogrady = wading bipeally & climbing arms overhead in the branches above the water, e.g.
-centrally placed & less mobile spine (less lumbar vertebrae, but sacralisation),
-complete tail loss, much wide sternum,
-thorax & pelvis (with lateral arms & legs) etc.etc.
Can't you see the differences between monkeys & apes, my boy?? ever heard of anatomy??
Please inform before trying to say something, google e.g. "aquarboreal". Perhaps you could better try to help a bit: did they mostly wade in inland, or in coastal forests? mangroves??
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 10:28:00 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
Op zondag 28 augustus 2022 om 06:42:58 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:N concolor wades more frequently?? Wrong again.
Can't you read well, my little boy? or is it perhaps too difficult for you??Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
Of course, some monkeys wade occasionally (those that wade more frequently such as Nasalis concolor evolve shorter tails),
but early Hominoidea were most of the time during the day wading bipedally in forest swamps:
they evolved orthogrady = wading bipeally & climbing arms overhead in the branches above the water, e.g.
-centrally placed & less mobile spine (less lumbar vertebrae, but sacralisation),
-complete tail loss, much wide sternum,
-thorax & pelvis (with lateral arms & legs) etc.etc.
Can't you see the differences between monkeys & apes, my boy?? ever heard of anatomy??
Please inform before trying to say something, google e.g. "aquarboreal". Perhaps you could better try to help a bit: did they mostly wade in inland, or in coastal forests? mangroves??
Habitat
The habitat of S. concolor includes hillsides in primary forests. This species is entirely arboreal and only comes down from the trees when it is disturbed. (Burton, 1995; Nowak, 1999)
Habitat Regions: tropical terrestrial
Terrestrial Biomes: rainforest
Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
Can't you read well, my little boy? or is it perhaps too difficult for you??
Of course, some monkeys wade occasionally (those that wade more frequently such as Nasalis concolor evolve shorter tails),
but early Hominoidea were most of the time during the day wading bipedally in forest swamps:
they evolved orthogrady = wading bipeally & climbing arms overhead in the branches above the water, e.g.
-centrally placed & less mobile spine (less lumbar vertebrae, but sacralisation),
-complete tail loss, much wide sternum,
-thorax & pelvis (with lateral arms & legs) etc.etc.
Can't you see the differences between monkeys & apes, my boy?? ever heard of anatomy??
Please inform before trying to say something, google e.g. "aquarboreal". Perhaps you could better try to help a bit: did they mostly wade in inland, or in coastal forests? mangroves??
N concolor wades more frequently?? Wrong again.
Habitat
The habitat of S. concolor includes hillsides in primary forests. This species is entirely arboreal and only comes down from the trees when it is disturbed. (Burton, 1995; Nowak, 1999)
Habitat Regions: tropical terrestrial
Terrestrial Biomes: rainforest
MV still wrong: "If they had simply evolved from above- to below-branch, they'd been more Ateles-like I'd think, e.g. with long tails"
Atelids pluck with hands only (never feet), while hanging by prehensile tail. Apes pluck with feet while hanging from hands. Tails gave no advantage, so were lost.
Op zondag 28 augustus 2022 om 20:57:21 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
Wading & climbing Brazzas monkeys have narrow chests like crabeating macaques, unlike hylobatids & humans.
No answer, of course.Can't you read well, my little boy? or is it perhaps too difficult for you??
Of course, some monkeys wade occasionally (those that wade more frequently such as Nasalis concolor evolve shorter tails),
but early Hominoidea were most of the time during the day wading bipedally in forest swamps:
they evolved orthogrady = wading bipeally & climbing arms overhead in the branches above the water, e.g.
-centrally placed & less mobile spine (less lumbar vertebrae, but sacralisation),
-complete tail loss, much wide sternum,
-thorax & pelvis (with lateral arms & legs) etc.etc.
Can't you see the differences between monkeys & apes, my boy?? ever heard of anatomy??
Please inform before trying to say something, google e.g. "aquarboreal".
Perhaps you could better try to help a bit: did they mostly wade in inland, or in coastal forests? mangroves??
Yes, it's its close relative Nasalis larvatus that wades more: their LCA probably waded regularly.N concolor wades more frequently?? Wrong again.
Habitat
The habitat of S. concolor includes hillsides in primary forests. This species is entirely arboreal and only comes down from the trees when it is disturbed. (Burton, 1995; Nowak, 1999)
Habitat Regions: tropical terrestrial
Terrestrial Biomes: rainforest
MV still wrong: "If they had simply evolved from above- to below-branch, they'd been more Ateles-like I'd think, e.g. with long tails":-DDD
Atelids pluck with hands only (never feet), while hanging by prehensile tail.
Apes pluck with feet while hanging from hands. Tails gave no advantage, so were lost.
Purely arboreal tetrapods don't lose the tail, my boy.
It's very simply: early hominoids lost the tail because they waded upright:
do you understand the word "upright", "orthograde", "vertical"??
Hominoids have centrally-placed spines, not dorsally as in monkeys & +-all mammals:
do you understand the word "aquarboreal"??
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