I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese orDon't you see it's Dutch??
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution), p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
Hauser even claimed that although the soft tissues of the skull had long since decayed, the outward shape of the nose could still be recognized by this pillow!
The nostrils in Neanderthals should not have been pointing downwards, but much more forward!"
Otto Hauser
Note that this condition is most closely to typical West Central African noses, and completely different from "Roman nose", Greek nose", "Jewish/Arab nose", " Hindu nose" all of which orient nasal apertures downwards.
https://pin.it/5whfyNO
Gorillas have forward oriented nasal apertures, unlike chimp, orangutan, gibbons and most monkeys.
Op dinsdag 28 juni 2022 om 00:55:35 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
...
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution), p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
Hauser even claimed that although the soft tissues of the skull had long since decayed, the outward shape of the nose could still be recognized by this pillow!Yes, possible.
The nostrils in Neanderthals should not have been pointing downwards, but much more forward!"
Otto Hauser
Note that this condition is most closely to typical West Central African noses, and completely different from "Roman nose", Greek nose", "Jewish/Arab nose", " Hindu nose" all of which orient nasal apertures downwards.
https://pin.it/5whfyNO
The nasal muscles might also have been different. Still uncertain.
What is certain: our external nose was no adaptation for running after kudus... :-DDD
Gorillas have forward oriented nasal apertures, unlike chimp, orangutan, gibbons and most monkeys.
Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
Don't you see it's Dutch??
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:22:20 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:...
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution), p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
Hauser even claimed that although the soft tissues of the skull had long since decayed, the outward shape of the nose could still be recognized by this pillow!
The nostrils in Neanderthals should not have been pointing downwards, but much more forward!"
Otto Hauser
Note that this condition is most closely to typical West Central African noses, and completely different from "Roman nose", Greek nose", "Jewish/Arab nose", " Hindu nose" all of which orient nasal apertures downwards.
https://pin.it/5whfyNO
Yes, possible.
No, parsimonious. The long hooded nose is probably derived, due to climate: arid / montane habitat, where moisture is conserved.
Most Hs have the nostrils downwards, but this might have differed from Hn.
The nasal muscles might also have been different. Still uncertain.
What is certain: our external nose was no adaptation for running after kudus... :-DDD
San bushmen nasal aperture:
https://images.app.goo.gl/HDhNhhfPYyP4NzyR9
Gorillas have forward oriented nasal apertures, unlike chimp, orangutan, gibbons and most monkeys.
Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
Don't you see it's Dutch??
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
Don't you see it's Dutch??
Of course I do, in as far as I can discern Dutch from Deutsch, but I've
got to be me.
I've only ever been to Amsterdam once, and I was shocked -- blown
away -- by not only how many people spoke English but American
English... not that ridiculous British thing. One women, working in a
museum, sounded like she was from L.A. or someplace. I honestly
thought she was an American and asked her where she was from!
Anyway, long story short; I never needed to try to learn. I could order
beer & pommes no problem, using English as God intended English
to be used... American English!
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
Now you're just showing off.
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:
Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
Don't you see it's Dutch??
I have this book at home (>>100 books on primate/human evolution).
p.80-81:
"... Zelfs beweerde Hauser dat, hoewel de weke delen van de schedel natuurlijk allang vergaan waren, de uiterlijke vorm van de neus door dit kussen nog herkend kon worden!
De neusgaten zouden bij de Neanderthaler niet naar beneden, doch veel meer naar voren gericht moeten zijn geweest!"
Otto Hauser
-1917 "Der Mensch vor 100.000 Jahren" Brockhaus Leipzig,
-1922 "Ins Paradies des Urmenschen" Hoffmann & Campe Hamburg,
-1927 "De Erde Eiszeit und Sindflut" Stilke Berlin.
Again, let's see what Hauser really said. The original paper
"Découverte d’un squelette du type du Neandertal sous l’abri inférieur du Moustier" is available here: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5864483g/f16.image.r=hauser?rk=42918;4#
On page 6 it reads:
"le nez avait été protégé par deux morceaux de silex, dont l'un
appliqué sur le dos du nez et l'autre.sur sa base. La position de ce
dernier silex, qui est en forme de plaque, montre que les narines
n'étaient pas dirigées de haut en bas, mais d'arrière en avant, avec
une légère inclinaison de haut en bas."
(the nose had been protected by two pieces of flint, one of which is
applied to the back of the nose and the other on its base. The
position of this last flint, which is plate-shaped, shows that the
nostrils were not directed downwards, but forwards, with a slight tilt downwards.)
In other words, Hauser did not infer the shape of the nose from an
original soft tissue impression, but indirectly from the position of
two pieces of flint.
That's a highly questionable approach to soft tissue reconstruction.
We don't even know if the flints were in their original position
around the profile of the nose. Fig. 5 in that paper does not all
justify any reconstruction of the nose on the basis of these flints
(labeled 1 and 2), or the suggestion that the nostrils were pointing
forward.
Op maandag 27 juni 2022 om 19:55:56 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
I can't find a copy, not even is Japanese or
Latin or whatever it is...
Is there an online citation? PDF?
Don't you see it's Dutch??
Primum Sapienti wrote:
You are profoundly stupid. You have reading comprehension,
can't follow a thread -- as you demonstrate now -- and carry
on as if this is clever.
Op dinsdag 5 september 2023 om 21:43:17 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
Primum Sapienti wrote:
his usual nonsense.
You are profoundly stupid. You have reading comprehension,
can't follow a thread -- as you demonstrate now -- and carry
on as if this is clever.
Try to neglect the idiot, JTEM, let him run after his kudus with his flat feet. :-D
Your buddy believes in space aliens and Nostradamus.
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