• OH-35 = P.boisei?

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 24 23:50:21 2021
    Relative fibular strength and locomotor behavior in KNM-WT 15000 and OH 35 Marchi D cs 2019 J hum Evol 131:48

    Relative fibular/tibial strength has been demonstrated to vary with locomotor behavior among anthropoids.

    In this study, fibular/tibial strength in WT-15k (juvenile H.erectus 1.5 Ma) & OH-35 (H.habilis or Par.boisei,1.8 Ma) was determined, vs 79 adult Hs, 16 chimps, 16 gorillas & 11 orangs.
    Ontogenetic changes in fibular/tibial strength were also analyzed due to WT-15k's juvenile status.
    Cross-sectional properties at mid-shaft were derived from multi-plane RX & external contours, or CT-scanning.
    Comparisons of log-transformed fibular/tibial polar 2nd moment of area & A-P & M-L 2nd moments of area were carried out between extant spp.
    Fossil deviations from each extant taxon's mean proportion were calculated in SD units.

    Gr.apes differ significantly from Hs, with rel.stronger fibulae, particularly in the M-L plane.
    OH-35 falls within 1 SD of chimp & orang for most cross-sectional proportions, but >1 SD from Hs.
    It has some human-like features, but the relative strength of the 2 bones aligns it with gr.apes, consistent with a significant degree of arboreality, in particular vertical climbing.

    WT-15k is >2 SD from all gr.apes (3 SD in the M-L plane), within 1 SD of Hs for almost all variables.
    This is not a result of its age: fibular/tibial strength slightly decreases with age (i.e. becomes less like gr.apes) in Hs.
    WT-15k is demonstrated to be fully modern, complimenting other indications of complete terrestrial bipedality, and possibly showing adaptations for endur.running.

    ______

    The authors are correct that OH-35 (possibly the same individual as OH-7 & OH-8) is an ape, not Homo, google "Lucy was no human ancestor PPT verhaegen".

    Their assertion that WT-15k was "fully modern" only means that it was Homo (not impossibly H.erectus), no ape.
    But only a complete idiot can believe that WT-15k was an endurance runner.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 25 11:21:15 2021
    On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 2:50:22 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Relative fibular strength and locomotor behavior in KNM-WT 15000 and OH 35 Marchi D cs 2019 J hum Evol 131:48

    Relative fibular/tibial strength has been demonstrated to vary with locomotor behavior among anthropoids.

    In this study, fibular/tibial strength in WT-15k (juvenile H.erectus 1.5 Ma) & OH-35 (H.habilis or Par.boisei,1.8 Ma) was determined, vs 79 adult Hs, 16 chimps, 16 gorillas & 11 orangs.
    Ontogenetic changes in fibular/tibial strength were also analyzed due to WT-15k's juvenile status.
    Cross-sectional properties at mid-shaft were derived from multi-plane RX & external contours, or CT-scanning.
    Comparisons of log-transformed fibular/tibial polar 2nd moment of area & A-P & M-L 2nd moments of area were carried out between extant spp.
    Fossil deviations from each extant taxon's mean proportion were calculated in SD units.

    Gr.apes differ significantly from Hs, with rel.stronger fibulae, particularly in the M-L plane.
    OH-35 falls within 1 SD of chimp & orang for most cross-sectional proportions, but >1 SD from Hs.
    It has some human-like features, but the relative strength of the 2 bones aligns it with gr.apes, consistent with a significant degree of arboreality, in particular vertical climbing.

    WT-15k is >2 SD from all gr.apes (3 SD in the M-L plane), within 1 SD of Hs for almost all variables.
    This is not a result of its age: fibular/tibial strength slightly decreases with age (i.e. becomes less like gr.apes) in Hs.
    WT-15k is demonstrated to be fully modern, complimenting other indications of complete terrestrial bipedality, and possibly showing adaptations for endur.running.

    ______

    The authors are correct that OH-35 (possibly the same individual as OH-7 & OH-8) is an ape, not Homo, google "Lucy was no human ancestor PPT verhaegen".

    Their assertion that WT-15k was "fully modern" only means that it was Homo (not impossibly H.erectus), no ape.
    But only a complete idiot can believe that WT-15k was an endurance runner.

    Is Homo an ape or a mermaid? Homo is a sheltered ground-based ape, not an endurance swimmer.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 3 22:39:04 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Relative fibular strength and locomotor behavior in KNM-WT 15000 and OH 35

    The REAL abstract

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31182206/

    or

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004724841830040X

    Abstract
    Relative fibular/tibial strength has been demonstrated to vary with locomotor behavior among anthropoid primates. In this study fibular/tibial strength was determined in KNM-WT 15000, a juvenile Homo erectus individual (1.5 Ma), and
    in OH 35, a Homo habilis (or possibly Paranthropus boisei) individual (1.8
    Ma),
    and compared to that of adult modern humans (n = 79), chimpanzees (n = 16), gorillas (n = 16) and orangutans (n = 11). Ontogenetic changes in fibular/tibial
    strength were also analyzed due to KNM-WT 15000's juvenile status. Cross-sectional properties at midshaft were derived from multi-plane radiography
    and external contours, or CT scanning. Comparisons of log-transformed fibular/tibial polar second moment of area and anteroposterior (A-P) and mediolateral (M-L) second moments of area were carried out between extant species. Fossil deviations from each extant taxon's mean proportion were calculated in standard deviation (SD) units for that taxon. Great apes differ significantly from modern humans, with relatively stronger fibulae, particularly
    in the M-L plane. KNM-WT 15000 is more than 2 SD from all great apes (≥3 SD in the M-L plane) and within 1 SD of modern humans for almost all variables. This is not a result of its age, as fibular/tibial strength slightly
    decreases with
    age (i.e., becomes less like that of great apes) in humans. OH 35 falls
    within
    1 SD of chimpanzees and orangutans for the majority of cross-sectional proportions, but more than 1 SD from humans. KNM-WT 15000 is demonstrated
    to be fully modern, complimenting other indications of complete terrestrial bipedality and possibly showing adaptations for endurance running. OH 35 has some human-like features; however, the relative strength of the two bones aligns
    the specimen with great apes, consistent with a significant degree of arboreality,
    in particular, vertical climbing.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 4 03:20:00 2021
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004724841830040X Abstract
    Relative fibular/tibial strength has been demonstrated to vary with locomotor behavior among anthropoid primates. In this study fibular/tibial strength was
    determined in KNM-WT 15000, a juvenile Homo erectus individual (1.5 Ma), and in OH 35, a Homo habilis (or possibly Paranthropus boisei) individual (1.8 Ma),
    and compared to that of adult modern humans (n = 79), chimpanzees (n = 16), gorillas (n = 16) and orangutans (n = 11). Ontogenetic changes in fibular/tibial
    strength were also analyzed due to KNM-WT 15000's juvenile status. Cross-sectional properties at midshaft were derived from multi-plane radiography
    and external contours, or CT scanning. Comparisons of log-transformed fibular/tibial polar second moment of area and anteroposterior (A-P) and mediolateral (M-L) second moments of area were carried out between extant species. Fossil deviations from each extant taxon's mean proportion were calculated in standard deviation (SD) units for that taxon. Great apes differ
    significantly from modern humans, with relatively stronger fibulae, particularly
    in the M-L plane. KNM-WT 15000 is more than 2 SD from all great apes (≥3 SD
    in the M-L plane) and within 1 SD of modern humans for almost all variables. This is not a result of its age, as fibular/tibial strength slightly decreases with
    age (i.e., becomes less like that of great apes) in humans. OH 35 falls within
    1 SD of chimpanzees and orangutans for the majority of cross-sectional proportions, but more than 1 SD from humans. KNM-WT 15000 is demonstrated
    to be fully modern, complimenting other indications of complete terrestrial bipedality and possibly showing adaptations for endurance running. OH 35 has some human-like features; however, the relative strength of the two bones aligns
    the specimen with great apes, consistent with a significant degree of arboreality,
    in particular, vertical climbing.

    :-)
    Yes, only a complete idiot believes WT-15k was an endurance runner.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Fri Oct 22 22:48:24 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S004724841830040X
    Abstract
    Relative fibular/tibial strength has been demonstrated to vary with locomotor
    behavior among anthropoid primates. In this study fibular/tibial strength was
    determined in KNM-WT 15000, a juvenile Homo erectus individual (1.5 Ma), and >> in OH 35, a Homo habilis (or possibly Paranthropus boisei) individual (1.8 >> Ma),
    and compared to that of adult modern humans (n = 79), chimpanzees (n = 16), >> gorillas (n = 16) and orangutans (n = 11). Ontogenetic changes in
    fibular/tibial
    strength were also analyzed due to KNM-WT 15000's juvenile status.
    Cross-sectional properties at midshaft were derived from multi-plane
    radiography
    and external contours, or CT scanning. Comparisons of log-transformed
    fibular/tibial polar second moment of area and anteroposterior (A-P) and
    mediolateral (M-L) second moments of area were carried out between extant
    species. Fossil deviations from each extant taxon's mean proportion were
    calculated in standard deviation (SD) units for that taxon. Great apes differ
    significantly from modern humans, with relatively stronger fibulae,
    particularly
    in the M-L plane. KNM-WT 15000 is more than 2 SD from all great apes (≥3 SD
    in the M-L plane) and within 1 SD of modern humans for almost all variables. >> This is not a result of its age, as fibular/tibial strength slightly
    decreases with
    age (i.e., becomes less like that of great apes) in humans. OH 35 falls
    within
    1 SD of chimpanzees and orangutans for the majority of cross-sectional
    proportions, but more than 1 SD from humans. KNM-WT 15000 is demonstrated
    to be fully modern, complimenting other indications of complete terrestrial >> bipedality and possibly showing adaptations for endurance running. OH 35 has >> some human-like features; however, the relative strength of the two bones
    aligns
    the specimen with great apes, consistent with a significant degree of
    arboreality,
    in particular, vertical climbing.

    :-)
    Yes, only a complete idiot believes WT-15k was an endurance runner.


    Only a complete idiot believes WT-15k had a snorkel nose.

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