https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00591-9

Bees and butterflies prefer salted nectar

So just because humans prefer salty foods doesn't mean they were marine..

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00591-9

Bees and butterflies prefer salted nectar

So just because humans prefer salty foods doesn't mean they were marine..

Google: Straw Man Argument.





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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00591-9

Bees and butterflies prefer salted nectar

So just because humans prefer salty foods doesn't mean they were marine..

Google: Straw Man Argument.

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Google arguingwith your superiors

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

[....]

Again, Google: Straw Man Argument

And while you're at it try Googling: Irony





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On Friday 27 May 2022 at 12:09:18 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00591-9

Bees and butterflies prefer salted nectar

So just because humans prefer salty foods doesn't mean they were marine..

Chimps also go for salt. They'll chew up a
wooden post against which humans have
urinated -- to get the salt. All forms of
animate life need salt, and it's usually
hard to find away from the coast.

It's the extraordinary level of the human
consumption of salt (which would be
poisonous to inland species, such as
chimps) that tells us that humans evolved
in a salt-rich habitat. It's also the extent
of human sweating -- a trait that requires
the ingestion of high levels of salt.

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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 4:26:33 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
[....]

Again, Google: Straw Man Argument

And while you're at it try Googling: Irony

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You ought to read the article cited. Really.

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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 5:01:53 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:

On Friday 27 May 2022 at 12:09:18 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00591-9

Bees and butterflies prefer salted nectar

So just because humans prefer salty foods doesn't mean they were marine..

Chimps also go for salt. They'll chew up a
wooden post against which humans have
urinated -- to get the salt. All forms of
animate life need salt, and it's usually
hard to find away from the coast.

It's the extraordinary level of the human
consumption of salt (which would be
poisonous to inland species, such as
chimps) that tells us that humans evolved
in a salt-rich habitat. It's also the extent
of human sweating -- a trait that requires
the ingestion of high levels of salt.

A mammoth provided 6 years worth of salt to a hunter.
You ought to read the cited article. Really.

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

You ought

It's never going to change. You posted a straw man "Argument," a
fallacious argument and then compounded your idiocy... like you're
doing now. Like you always do.




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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 10:32:12 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

You ought

It's never going to change. You posted a straw man "Argument," a
fallacious argument and then compounded your idiocy... like you're
doing now. Like you always do.

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No, really. Try to parse the meaning of it.

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On Saturday 28 May 2022 at 02:08:43 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

A mammoth provided 6 years worth of salt to a hunter.

I don't believe that for a second. The
mammoth's meat would be inedible
within a few days.

You ought to read the cited article. Really.

It's behind a (very high) paywall.

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

[...]

Once again, Google; Straw Man Argument

And "Irony."



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On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:47:45 AM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
[...]

Once again, Google; Straw Man Argument

And "Irony."

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Except it isn't. I guess you just don't understand the birds and the bees yet.

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On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 7:37:19 AM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:

On Saturday 28 May 2022 at 02:08:43 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

A mammoth provided 6 years worth of salt to a hunter.

I don't believe that for a second.

If you checked the data available it would confirm my statement. We know (actual physical evidence of meat slicing on bones) they had the ability to get all the flesh and organs and slice them into ultra-thin slices for sun-wind drying and/or freezing. A
hunter's wife, family, kin, band obviously worked together with the same expertise that the Dakota Indians did with buffalo. Although domesticated fire allowed fast cooking, it was not a necessity.

The

mammoth's meat would be inedible
within a few days.

You ought to read the cited article. Really.

It's behind a (very high) paywall.

The abstract suffices.

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On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:45:44 AM UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

A mammoth provided 6 years worth of salt to a hunter.

I don't believe that for a second.

.
If you checked the data available it would confirm my statement.

For the great bulk of human evolution we are
talking about tropical or sub-tropical conditions
where any kind of meat preservation is out of
the question.

You ought to read the cited article. Really.

.
It's behind a (very high) paywall.

.
The abstract suffices.

This is the abstract:

Sodium-enriched floral nectar increases pollinator visitation rate and diversity
Published:02 March 2022https://doi.org/10.1098/rsbl.2022.0016
Abstract

Plants have evolved a variety of approaches to attract pollinators, including enriching their nectar with essential nutrients. Because sodium is an essential nutrient for pollinators, and sodium concentration in nectar can vary both within
and among species, we explored whether experimentally enriching floral nectar with sodium in five plant species would influence pollinator visitation and diversity.
We found that the number of visits by pollinators increased on plants with sodium-
enriched nectar, regardless of plant species, relative to plants receiving control
nectar. Similarly, the number of species visiting plants with sodium-enriched nectar
was twice that of controls. Our findings suggest that sodium in floral nectar may
play an important but unappreciated role in the ecology and evolution of plant–pollinator mutualisms.

Extra sodium appears to greatly enhance the
attractiveness of plants to pollinators. If it
was easy to obtain, then most plants would
recruit it. But, in nearly all inland habitats,
it's hard to obtain. Its salts are highly soluable
so it's readily washed out. So I neither do I
buy the story that chimps (bonobos?) find
salt-rich plants in swamps -- or not without
much better evidence.

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On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 10:58:16 AM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:45:44 AM UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

A mammoth provided 6 years worth of salt to a hunter.

I don't believe that for a second.

.
If you checked the data available it would confirm my statement.

For the great bulk of human evolution we are
talking about tropical or sub-tropical conditions
where any kind of meat preservation is out of
the question.

Pygmies smoke elephant meat, faster and much more reliable than sun-wind drying within tropical rainforest. Smoke is the substitute for sun-wind drying, just like today's microwave ovens substitute for hearths today. We don't know the exact climate at
human ancestor's camps for 5 million years, but we know they didn't smoke their food until about half million years ago. We know they had sharp thin flakes since 2.6ma at Gona, which today is hot, windy & sunny generally. Mammoths were hunted in artic
26ka and in temperate zone much longer.

You ought to read the cited article. Really.

.
It's behind a (very high) paywall.

.
The abstract suffices.

This is the abstract:

Sodium-enriched floral nectar increases pollinator visitation rate and diversity
Published:02 March 2022https://doi.org/10.1098/rsbl.2022.0016
Abstract

Plants have evolved a variety of approaches to attract pollinators, including
enriching their nectar with essential nutrients. Because sodium is an essential
nutrient for pollinators, and sodium concentration in nectar can vary both within
and among species, we explored whether experimentally enriching floral nectar
with sodium in five plant species would influence pollinator visitation and diversity.
We found that the number of visits by pollinators increased on plants with sodium-
enriched nectar, regardless of plant species, relative to plants receiving control
nectar. Similarly, the number of species visiting plants with sodium-enriched nectar
was twice that of controls. Our findings suggest that sodium in floral nectar may
play an important but unappreciated role in the ecology and evolution of plant–pollinator mutualisms.

Extra sodium appears to greatly enhance the
attractiveness of plants to pollinators. If it
was easy to obtain, then most plants would
recruit it. But, in nearly all inland habitats,
it's hard to obtain. Its salts are highly soluable
so it's readily washed out. So I neither do I
buy the story that chimps (bonobos?) find
salt-rich plants in swamps -- or not without
much better evidence.

Salts are washed out of rock, plants retrieve salts in solution via roots.

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