• Possible Denisovan tooth found in Laos 131 to 164 kya

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 17 14:32:29 2022
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/denisovan-girl-fossil-tooth-hominid-laos-anthropology

    A Denisovan girl’s fossil tooth may have been unearthed in Laos
    A molar adds to suspicions that the mysterious hominids inhabited
    Southeast Asia's forests

    "Analyses of the tooth’s internal structure and protein makeup indicate
    that the molar
    came from a girl in the Homo genus. She died between the ages of 3½ and
    8½, paleoanthropologist Fabrice Demeter of the University of Copenhagen
    and colleagues
    say."


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29923-z
    A Middle Pleistocene Denisovan molar from the Annamite Chain of northern Laos

    Abstract
    The Pleistocene presence of the genus Homo in continental Southeast Asia is primarily evidenced by a sparse stone tool record and rare human remains.
    Here
    we report a Middle Pleistocene hominin specimen from Laos, with the discovery of a molar from the Tam Ngu Hao 2 (Cobra Cave) limestone cave in the Annamite Mountains. The age of the fossil-bearing breccia ranges between 164–131 kyr, based on the Bayesian modelling of luminescence dating of the sedimentary matrix from which it was recovered, U-series dating of an overlying
    flowstone,
    and U-series–ESR dating of associated faunal teeth. Analyses of the internal structure of the molar in tandem with palaeoproteomic analyses of the enamel indicate that the tooth derives from a young, likely female, Homo
    individual. The
    close morphological affinities with the Xiahe specimen from China indicate
    that
    they belong to the same taxon and that Tam Ngu Hao 2 most likely represents a Denisovan.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue May 17 14:40:58 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    A Denisovan girl’s fossil tooth may have been unearthed in Laos
    A molar adds to suspicions that the mysterious hominids inhabited
    Southeast Asia's forests

    "Analyses of the tooth’s internal structure and protein makeup indicate that the molar
    came from a girl in the Homo genus. She died between the ages of 3½ and 8½, paleoanthropologist Fabrice Demeter of the University of Copenhagen
    and colleagues
    say."

    Honestly. They won't publish anything pertaining to paleo anthropology unless the writer has first consumed BUCKETS of paint chips...

    The picture humans spreading like a ball where they begin at Point-A then
    pack up everything and walk to Point-B.... a ball rolling along a lane...

    No.

    Think of it as pouring out a large can of paint. The people, THE GENETICS spread like that. And all future populations? Well they're not waltzing forward,
    pushing the ball ahead of them. No, it's more like they're stepping on wet paint, and carrying it where ever they go.

    This doesn't just explain how Denisovan DNA and wind up HERE or THERE,
    it explains Denisovans! After all, they began as one and the same population
    as Neanderthals. After maybe 300 or 400 thousand years they were not only distinct from Neanderthals but apparently groups of so called Denisovans
    were just as distinct from each other!

    You can claim this all resulted from evolving in isolation but we all know that isn't true. They weren't isolated. There were people living in all the lands they
    ever reached and they absorbed that DNA....




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Mon May 30 22:38:49 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    A Denisovan girl’s fossil tooth may have been unearthed in Laos
    A molar adds to suspicions that the mysterious hominids inhabited
    Southeast Asia's forests

    "Analyses of the tooth’s internal structure and protein makeup indicate
    that the molar
    came from a girl in the Homo genus. She died between the ages of 3½ and
    8½, paleoanthropologist Fabrice Demeter of the University of Copenhagen
    and colleagues
    say."

    Honestly. They won't publish anything pertaining to paleo anthropology unless the writer has first consumed BUCKETS of paint chips...

    The picture humans spreading like a ball where they begin at Point-A then pack up everything and walk to Point-B.... a ball rolling along a lane...

    No.

    Think of it as pouring out a large can of paint. The people, THE GENETICS spread like that. And all future populations? Well they're not waltzing forward,
    pushing the ball ahead of them. No, it's more like they're stepping on wet paint, and carrying it where ever they go.

    This doesn't just explain how Denisovan DNA and wind up HERE or THERE,
    it explains Denisovans! After all, they began as one and the same population as Neanderthals. After maybe 300 or 400 thousand years they were not only distinct from Neanderthals but apparently groups of so called Denisovans
    were just as distinct from each other!

    What is your data for all that?

    You can claim this all resulted from evolving in isolation but we all know that
    isn't true. They weren't isolated. There were people living in all the lands they
    ever reached and they absorbed that DNA....

    Why are you arguing with the paper? They collected the data and did the analysis.
    They didn't stare off into space and imagine how things must be. As a
    maker of "videos"
    you wouldn't understand.

    Two more Denisovan items

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/indigenous-filipino-group-has-highest-known-denisovan-ancestry-69089
    Aug 13, 2021
    Indigenous Filipino Group Has Highest Known Denisovan Ancestry
    Researchers found the relatively high proportion of DNA from a hominin cousin—nearly 5
    percent—when they scanned more than 1,000 genomes from 118 distinct ethnic groups.


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1139-x
    01 May 2019
    A late Middle Pleistocene Denisovan mandible from the Tibetan Plateau

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisovan
    Denisovans are known to have lived in Siberia, and the Xiahe mandible is
    the earliest
    recorded human presence on the Tibetan Plateau.[13] Though their remains
    have been
    identified in only these two locations, traces of Denisovan DNA in modern humans
    suggest they ranged across East Asia,[34][35] and potentially western Eurasia.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue May 31 15:05:35 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Think of it as pouring out a large can of paint. The people, THE GENETICS spread like that. And all future populations? Well they're not waltzing forward,
    pushing the ball ahead of them. No, it's more like they're stepping on wet paint, and carrying it where ever they go.

    This doesn't just explain how Denisovan DNA and wind up HERE or THERE,
    it explains Denisovans! After all, they began as one and the same population
    as Neanderthals. After maybe 300 or 400 thousand years they were not only distinct from Neanderthals but apparently groups of so called Denisovans were just as distinct from each other!

    What is your data for all that?

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty, nobody has ever done DNA research?

    I'm describing a model that EXPLAINS the data. Your model does not.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    Out of Africa/Replacement can't explain Denisovans. It can't explain the Denisovan
    DNA carried by modern human populations. It can't explain Mungo Man or even
    the A00 y chromosome found in modern humans:

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

    Your model doesn't work. Linear models NEVER worked.

    Why are you arguing with the paper?

    I'm not. Your models are stupid. They don't work. They are self refuting.

    They collected the data and did the
    analysis.

    It's not about the data, rabbit dropping eating buffoon, it's about EXPLAINING It. It's about constructing a model on which the data fits and no linear model works or has ever worked.

    Period.





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Fri Jun 24 23:35:07 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Think of it as pouring out a large can of paint. The people, THE GENETICS >>> spread like that. And all future populations? Well they're not waltzing forward,
    pushing the ball ahead of them. No, it's more like they're stepping on wet >>> paint, and carrying it where ever they go.

    This doesn't just explain how Denisovan DNA and wind up HERE or THERE,
    it explains Denisovans! After all, they began as one and the same population
    as Neanderthals. After maybe 300 or 400 thousand years they were not only >>> distinct from Neanderthals but apparently groups of so called Denisovans >>> were just as distinct from each other!

    What is your data for all that?

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty, nobody has ever
    done DNA research?

    Then you should have no problem backing up your claim.

    I'm describing a model that EXPLAINS the data. Your model does not.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Out of Africa/Replacement can't explain Denisovans. It can't explain the Denisovan
    DNA carried by modern human populations. It can't explain Mungo Man or even the A00 y chromosome found in modern humans:

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Your model doesn't work. Linear models NEVER worked.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    Why are you arguing with the paper?

    I'm not. Your models are stupid. They don't work. They are self refuting.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    They collected the data and did the
    analysis.

    It's not about the data, rabbit dropping eating buffoon, it's about EXPLAINING
    It. It's about constructing a model on which the data fits and no linear model
    works or has ever worked.

    Period.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/denisovan-girl-fossil-tooth-hominid-laos-anthropology

    A Denisovan girl’s fossil tooth may have been unearthed in Laos
    A molar adds to suspicions that the mysterious hominids inhabited
    Southeast Asia's forests

    "Analyses of the tooth’s internal structure and protein makeup indicate
    that the molar
    came from a girl in the Homo genus. She died between the ages of 3½ and
    8½, paleoanthropologist Fabrice Demeter of the University of Copenhagen
    and colleagues
    say."


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29923-z
    A Middle Pleistocene Denisovan molar from the Annamite Chain of northern Laos

    Abstract
    The Pleistocene presence of the genus Homo in continental Southeast Asia is primarily evidenced by a sparse stone tool record and rare human remains. Here we report a Middle Pleistocene hominin specimen from Laos, with the discovery of a molar from the Tam Ngu Hao 2 (Cobra Cave) limestone cave in the Annamite Mountains. The age of the fossil-bearing breccia ranges between 164–131 kyr, based on the Bayesian modelling of luminescence dating of the sedimentary matrix from which it was recovered, U-series dating of an overlying flowstone, and U-series–ESR dating of associated faunal teeth. Analyses of the internal structure of the molar in tandem with palaeoproteomic analyses of the enamel indicate that the tooth derives from a young, likely female, Homo
    individual. The
    close morphological affinities with the Xiahe specimen from China indicate
    that
    they belong to the same taxon and that Tam Ngu Hao 2 most likely represents a Denisovan.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sat Jun 25 10:31:13 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    I Envy JTEM wrote:

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty, nobody has ever
    done DNA research?

    Then you should have no problem

    Look. I'm not some highly trained, paid professional whose job it is to be patient
    and understanding with the likes of you.

    If you are NOT pretending that there is no "Data," if you are NOT pretending that
    as far as you know nobody has ever looked for/researched the DNA, shut the
    fuck up. You are demanding that I "Prove" a settled matter.

    So either figure out what you REALLY want to say here or shut the fuck up. I will
    not coddle you.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    I know you're insane and not just intellectually challenged but, if you had reading comprehension, which you don't, I produced the cite to demonstrate
    that "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" is wrong, and you imagined some
    crazy Denisovan claim...

    True, that Denisovans along with ALL extant populations -- extant during the evolutionarily significant period we speak of -- are indeed part of the mosaic that Out of Africa and official interpretations of the DNA evidence are unable to account for, but once you were shown the inadequacies of your model
    there was no need to go into further specifics. Put in a way that even an idiot can grasp though you surely will not: Once you establish that the Titanic
    has sunk it is pointless to establish that the Titanic's gymnasium or kitchen or dinning room also sank.

    Please work hard at thinking, at discerning what your own goddamn position
    is, before further disgracing yourself.





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Thu Jul 28 22:04:15 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    I Envy JTEM wrote:

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty, nobody has ever
    done DNA research?

    Then you should have no problem

    Look. I'm not some highly trained, paid professional whose job it is to be patient
    and understanding with the likes of you.

    If you are NOT pretending that there is no "Data," if you are NOT pretending that
    as far as you know nobody has ever looked for/researched the DNA, shut the fuck up. You are demanding that I "Prove" a settled matter.

    So either figure out what you REALLY want to say here or shut the fuck up. I will
    not coddle you.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    I know you're insane and not just intellectually challenged but, if you had reading comprehension, which you don't, I produced the cite to demonstrate that "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" is wrong, and you imagined some
    crazy Denisovan claim...

    True, that Denisovans along with ALL extant populations -- extant during the evolutionarily significant period we speak of -- are indeed part of the mosaic
    that Out of Africa and official interpretations of the DNA evidence are unable
    to account for, but once you were shown the inadequacies of your model
    there was no need to go into further specifics. Put in a way that even an idiot
    can grasp though you surely will not: Once you establish that the Titanic has sunk it is pointless to establish that the Titanic's gymnasium or kitchen or dinning room also sank.

    Please work hard at thinking, at discerning what your own goddamn position is, before further disgracing yourself.

    Still waiting for you to back up your claim...

    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Think of it as pouring out a large can of paint. The people, THE GENETICS
    spread like that. And all future populations? Well they're not
    waltzing forward,
    pushing the ball ahead of them. No, it's more like they're stepping
    on wet
    paint, and carrying it where ever they go.

    This doesn't just explain how Denisovan DNA and wind up HERE or THERE,
    it explains Denisovans! After all, they began as one and the same population
    as Neanderthals. After maybe 300 or 400 thousand years they were not only
    distinct from Neanderthals but apparently groups of so called Denisovans
    were just as distinct from each other!

    What is your data for all that?

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty, nobody
    has ever
    done DNA research?

    Then you should have no problem backing up your claim.

    I'm describing a model that EXPLAINS the data. Your model does not.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Out of Africa/Replacement can't explain Denisovans. It can't explain
    the Denisovan
    DNA carried by modern human populations. It can't explain Mungo Man or even the A00 y chromosome found in modern humans:

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Your model doesn't work. Linear models NEVER worked.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    Why are you arguing with the paper?

    I'm not. Your models are stupid. They don't work. They are self refuting.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    They collected the data and did the
    analysis.

    It's not about the data, rabbit dropping eating buffoon, it's about
    EXPLAINING
    It. It's about constructing a model on which the data fits and no
    linear model
    works or has ever worked.

    Period.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/denisovan-girl-fossil-tooth-hominid-laos-anthropology

    A Denisovan girl’s fossil tooth may have been unearthed in Laos
    A molar adds to suspicions that the mysterious hominids inhabited
    Southeast Asia's forests

    "Analyses of the tooth’s internal structure and protein makeup indicate
    that the molar
    came from a girl in the Homo genus. She died between the ages of 3½ and
    8½, paleoanthropologist Fabrice Demeter of the University of Copenhagen
    and colleagues
    say."


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29923-z
    A Middle Pleistocene Denisovan molar from the Annamite Chain of northern Laos

    Abstract
    The Pleistocene presence of the genus Homo in continental Southeast Asia is primarily evidenced by a sparse stone tool record and rare human remains. Here we report a Middle Pleistocene hominin specimen from Laos, with the discovery of a molar from the Tam Ngu Hao 2 (Cobra Cave) limestone cave in the Annamite Mountains. The age of the fossil-bearing breccia ranges between 164–131 kyr, based on the Bayesian modelling of luminescence dating of the sedimentary matrix from which it was recovered, U-series dating of an overlying flowstone, and U-series–ESR dating of associated faunal teeth. Analyses of the internal structure of the molar in tandem with palaeoproteomic analyses of the enamel indicate that the tooth derives from a young, likely female, Homo
    individual. The
    close morphological affinities with the Xiahe specimen from China indicate
    that
    they belong to the same taxon and that Tam Ngu Hao 2 most likely represents a Denisovan.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Jul 29 19:42:02 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Still waiting for you to back up your claim...

    That data exists? Or that if I can prove that "Out of Africa/Replacement"
    is absolutely rubbish using one example that means it's absolutely
    rubbish for all the other examples as well? Reality isn't reinvented with
    every passing moment? Hmm? Is that what you're waiting for?

    You're an idiot who probably made truck loads of stupid claims, only to
    be made a fool out of by people asking for citations & whatnot. And,
    being an idiot, you think their questions were magical incantations and
    if you can just remember to repeat them then everyone else will be an
    idiot, not you...

    No, sweet cheeks, it was never their questions & demands that made
    you stupid. You did that. It's you. It's always been you! Like here & now
    where you don't even know what it is you're trying to dispute!

    You're disputing "Data" which you do not dispute at all, you know and
    agree that there's loads of data, when you're supposed to be disputing conclusions -- IDEAS! -- based, however loosely in your case, on the data.

    Now pay attention here or, better yet, find an adult to maybe explain this
    to you but, I'm pointing out how the model(s) proposed to explain the
    data sucks the rotting fallopian tubes from a dead dog, while you think
    that pretending that there's no data, or at least you never heard of any,
    is a scathing rebuttal.

    Less than impressive there, champ.

    Here. Remember this?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    Besides completely fucking up the definition of "Human," besides
    exposing ridiculous a-priori assumptions and passing that off as
    science, this "Data" is inconsistent with any
    "Out of Africa/Replacement" model. But your position here, as
    laughable as it seems, is that it doesn't matter if it's disproven
    because maybe it's not disproven by some different evidence...

    No, baby cakes, that's not how it works. Once you establish that
    the Titanic sank you don't need to "Prove" that the officer's
    lavatory also sank! And it's NOT reasonable to "Argue" that maybe
    it didn't, because I wouldn't show you any data specifically
    mentioning the sinking of the officer's lavatory...





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Aug 7 23:36:14 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    I Envy JTEM wrote:

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty,
    nobody has ever
    done DNA research?

    Then you should have no problem

    Look. I'm not some highly trained, paid professional whose job it is to
    be patient
    and understanding with the likes of you.

    If you are NOT pretending that there is no "Data," if you are NOT
    pretending that
    as far as you know nobody has ever looked for/researched the DNA, shut the fuck up. You are demanding that I "Prove" a settled matter.

    So either figure out what you REALLY want to say here or shut the fuck
    up. I will
    not coddle you.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    I know you're insane and not just intellectually challenged but, if you had reading comprehension, which you don't, I produced the cite to demonstrate that "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" is wrong, and you imagined some
    crazy Denisovan claim...

    True, that Denisovans along with ALL extant populations -- extant
    during the
    evolutionarily significant period we speak of -- are indeed part of the
    mosaic
    that Out of Africa and official interpretations of the DNA evidence are
    unable
    to account for, but once you were shown the inadequacies of your model
    there was no need to go into further specifics. Put in a way that even
    an idiot
    can grasp though you surely will not: Once you establish that the Titanic has sunk it is pointless to establish that the Titanic's gymnasium or
    kitchen
    or dinning room also sank.

    Please work hard at thinking, at discerning what your own goddamn position is, before further disgracing yourself.

    Still waiting for you to back up your claim...

    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Think of it as pouring out a large can of paint. The people, THE GENETICS
    spread like that. And all future populations? Well they're not
    waltzing forward,
    pushing the ball ahead of them. No, it's more like they're stepping
    on wet
    paint, and carrying it where ever they go.

    This doesn't just explain how Denisovan DNA and wind up HERE or THERE,
    it explains Denisovans! After all, they began as one and the same population
    as Neanderthals. After maybe 300 or 400 thousand years they were not only
    distinct from Neanderthals but apparently groups of so called Denisovans
    were just as distinct from each other!

    What is your data for all that?

    I'm sorry, and you think you're saying... what?

    You are unaware of any data? You think that the slate is empty, nobody
    has ever
    done DNA research?

    Then you should have no problem backing up your claim.

    I'm describing a model that EXPLAINS the data. Your model does not.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Out of Africa/Replacement can't explain Denisovans. It can't explain
    the Denisovan
    DNA carried by modern human populations. It can't explain Mungo Man or even the A00 y chromosome found in modern humans:

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(13)00073-6

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Your model doesn't work. Linear models NEVER worked.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    Why are you arguing with the paper?

    I'm not. Your models are stupid. They don't work. They are self refuting.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    They collected the data and did the
    analysis.

    It's not about the data, rabbit dropping eating buffoon, it's about
    EXPLAINING
    It. It's about constructing a model on which the data fits and no
    linear model
    works or has ever worked.

    Period.

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/denisovan-girl-fossil-tooth-hominid-laos-anthropology

    A Denisovan girl’s fossil tooth may have been unearthed in Laos
    A molar adds to suspicions that the mysterious hominids inhabited
    Southeast Asia's forests

    "Analyses of the tooth’s internal structure and protein makeup indicate
    that the molar
    came from a girl in the Homo genus. She died between the ages of 3½ and
    8½, paleoanthropologist Fabrice Demeter of the University of Copenhagen
    and colleagues
    say."


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29923-z
    A Middle Pleistocene Denisovan molar from the Annamite Chain of northern Laos

    Abstract
    The Pleistocene presence of the genus Homo in continental Southeast Asia is primarily evidenced by a sparse stone tool record and rare human remains. Here we report a Middle Pleistocene hominin specimen from Laos, with the discovery of a molar from the Tam Ngu Hao 2 (Cobra Cave) limestone cave in the Annamite Mountains. The age of the fossil-bearing breccia ranges between 164–131 kyr, based on the Bayesian modelling of luminescence dating of the sedimentary matrix from which it was recovered, U-series dating of an overlying flowstone, and U-series–ESR dating of associated faunal teeth. Analyses of the internal structure of the molar in tandem with palaeoproteomic analyses of the enamel indicate that the tooth derives from a young, likely female, Homo
    individual. The
    close morphological affinities with the Xiahe specimen from China indicate
    that
    they belong to the same taxon and that Tam Ngu Hao 2 most likely represents a Denisovan.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 04:36:22 2022
    Op zaterdag 30 juli 2022 om 04:42:03 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:


    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    Thanks!
    1) Hn & Hs interbred.
    2) Hn was unmistakenly semi-aquatic (wading+diving).
    1+2) implies our aquatic past was not >5 Ma as Elaine & Hardy thought, but lasted until late-Pleistocene
    (in fact, some Hs are ?still semi-aquatic, e.g. Polynesians).

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Mon Aug 8 16:49:18 2022
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:36:23 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op zaterdag 30 juli 2022 om 04:42:03 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:


    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    Thanks!
    1) Hn & Hs interbred.
    2) Hn was unmistakenly semi-aquatic (wading+diving).
    1+2) implies our aquatic past was not >5 Ma as Elaine & Hardy thought, but lasted until late-Pleistocene
    (in fact, some Hs are ?still semi-aquatic, e.g. Polynesians).

    All Polynesians, Moken, Bajau, Ama sleep in constructed shelters, never in water.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Mon Aug 8 21:40:08 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Still waiting for you to

    You can wait until you graduate the 3rd grade, for all I care. I explained
    it to you more than once. If you didn't grasp then you're not going to
    grasp it now....

    All you have to do is disprove the Out of Africa purity model. Doesn't
    matter what the evidence is, or how it disproves it but if one piece of evidence disproves it then it's disproved. You needn't go any further.

    Then you should have no problem backing up your claim.

    That data exists?

    I'm laughing at you! You are an object of ridicule!

    I did not propose a model. I posted references to articles.

    So you haven't the courage to stand by your own position.

    "It's not me posting this stuff and misrepresenting it! It's someone
    else!"

    "Replacement" is stupid. It's disproven.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    There. No "Out of Africa" aka "Replacement" can explain that.

    No mention of Denisovans there.

    Who cares? Out of Africa aka Replacement is gone. It's falsified. We're
    done.

    This is how reality works. It's how science works. When you lose, when
    your model is disproven you admit it. If you don't, then you don't have
    science you have religion.

    You're a dogmatic fool.




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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 21:42:09 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    All Polynesians, Moken, Bajau, Ama sleep in constructed shelters, never in water.

    So you're looking at the present, not the past, and you're concluding that this is
    the past, not the present. Interesting. Well, not really. It's dull, just the sort of
    nonsense you've been posting for years.





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 10 04:04:42 2022
    Op dinsdag 9 augustus 2022 om 01:49:19 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661

    Thanks!
    1) Hn & Hs interbred.
    2) Hn was unmistakenly semi-aquatic (wading+diving).
    1+2) implies our aquatic past was not >5 Ma as Elaine & Hardy thought, but lasted until late-Pleistocene
    (in fact, some Hs are ?still semi-aquatic, e.g. Polynesians).

    All Polynesians, Moken, Bajau, Ama sleep in constructed shelters, never in water.

    Of course, my little boy, what else??
    Grow up.

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