If wild donleys and horses can dig, why not hominids?

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species
...
In the American Southwest, wild donkeys and horses often dig into the
dusty sediment
to reach cool, crystal clear groundwater to quench their thirst. New
research shows this
equid ingenuity has far reaching benefits for the ecosystem.
...


https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215644 Chimpanzee extractive foraging with excavating tools: Experimental
modeling of the
origins of human technology

Abstract
It is hypothesized that tool-assisted excavation of plant underground storage organs (USOs) played an adaptive role in hominin evolution and was also once considered a uniquely human behavior. Recent data indicate that savanna chimpanzees also use tools to excavate edible USOs. However, those
chimpanzees
remain largely unhabituated and we lack direct observations of this
behavior in
the wild. To fill this gap in our knowledge of hominoid USO extractive foraging,
we conducted tool-mediated excavation experiments with captive chimpanzees naïve to this behavior. We presented the chimpanzees with the opportunity to use tools in order to excavate artificially-placed underground foods in their naturally forested outdoor enclosure. No guidance or demonstration was
given to
the chimpanzees at any time. The chimpanzees used tools spontaneously in
order
to excavate the underground foods. They exhibited six different tool use behaviors
in the context of excavation: probe, perforate, dig, pound, enlarge and
shovel.
However, they still excavated manually more often than they did with tools. Chimpanzees were selective in their choice of tools that we provided, preferring
longer tools for excavation. They also obtained their own tools mainly from naturally occurring vegetation and transported them to the excavation
site. They
reused some tools throughout the study. Our new data provide a direction
for the
study of variables relevant to modeling USO extractive foraging by early hominins.

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On Wednesday 1 September 2021 at 06:56:06 UTC+1, Primum Sapienti wrote:

If wild donleys and horses can dig, why not hominids?

Re-posted for readability

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species

In the American Southwest, wild donkeys and

horses often dig into the dusty sediment to reach
cool, crystal clear groundwater to quench their
thirst. New research shows this equid ingenuity has
far reaching benefits for the ecosystem.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215644 Chimpanzee extractive foraging with excavating tools: Experimental
modeling of the
origins of human technology

Abstract
It is hypothesized that tool-assisted excavation of
plant underground storage organs (USOs) played an
adaptive role in hominin evolution and was also
once considered a uniquely human behavior.
Recent data indicate that savanna chimpanzees also
use tools to excavate edible USOs. However, those
chimpanzees remain largely unhabituated and we
lack direct observations of this behavior in the wild.
To fill this gap in our knowledge of hominoid USO
extractive foraging, we conducted tool-mediated
excavation experiments with captive chimpanzees
naïve to this behavior. We presented the
chimpanzees with the opportunity to use tools in
order to excavate artificially-placed underground
foods in their naturally forested outdoor enclosure.
No guidance or demonstration was given to the
chimpanzees at any time. The chimpanzees used
tools spontaneously in order to excavate the
underground foods. They exhibited six different tool
use behaviors in the context of excavation: probe,
perforate, dig, pound, enlarge and shovel. However,
they still excavated manually more often than they
did with tools. Chimpanzees were selective in their
choice of tools that we provided, preferring longer
tools for excavation. They also obtained their own
tools mainly from naturally occurring vegetation
and transported them to the excavation site. They
reused some tools throughout the study. Our new
data provide a direction for the study of variables
relevant to modeling USO extractive foraging by
early hominins.

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

In the American Southwest, wild donkeys and horses often dig into the
dusty sediment to reach cool, crystal clear groundwater

They misspelled "Mud."

Chimpanzee extractive foraging with excavating tools

They misspelled "Sticks."

They're using the word "Tool" as a verb and then confusing
themselves, believing that they're referencing a noun.

Show us 500,000 year old Chimpanzee tools. You can't. Because
Chimps don't use tools. They don't know how to make tools.

AND, Chimps aren't a model for our ancestors. They've been
evolving AWAY from the common ancestor as long as we have.

As for Chimp behaviors, they learn them from people.

A parrot can "speak" words. Is that the same as language in
people? Hmm?





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I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

In the American Southwest, wild donkeys and horses often dig into the
dusty sediment to reach cool, crystal clear groundwater

They misspelled "Mud."

What mud? "wild donkeys and horses often dig into the dusty sediment"

Here on Earth, mud is not dusty.

Chimpanzee extractive foraging with excavating tools

They misspelled "Sticks."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215644

The paper is public. Follow the link. Chimps using sticks. As tools.

They're using the word "Tool" as a verb and then confusing

You read the paper?

themselves, believing that they're referencing a noun.

"tool" is both a noun and verb.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/tool

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tool

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool

Please give us your precise definition of tool...

Show us 500,000 year old Chimpanzee tools. You can't. Because > Chimps don't use tools. They don't know how to make tools.

They don't? How do they fish for termites?

AND, Chimps aren't a model for our ancestors. They've been
evolving AWAY from the common ancestor as long as we have.

Why aren't they a good model?

As for Chimp behaviors, they learn them from people.

They learned termite fishing from people?

A parrot can "speak" words. Is that the same as language in
people? Hmm?

Oh look, a new straw man...

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

What mud? "wild donkeys and horses often dig into the dusty sediment"

Here on Earth, mud is not dusty.

Here on earth, water bearing sediment is.

Chimpanzee extractive foraging with excavating tools

They misspelled "Sticks."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215644

Wow you're establishing what has already been established and was already corrected: They say "Tool" when they mean "Stick."

You probably missed this on account that it was right in front of you and the exact topic you were responding to, with your <ahem> "cite" that established that, yes, I am right. They really do say "Tool" when they mean "Stick."

A lack of reading comprehension is not an argument.

Now show me examples of 500,000 year old Chimp "Tools." If they existed,
there would be no problem doing so.

"tool" is both a noun and verb.

Wow, and you say this because you have ZERO reading comprehension...

I'll spell it out AGAIN, and you can not grasp it AGAIN:

They are using tool as a verb: Not a noun but a verb. AND THEN they are pretending that this makes it a noun. The verb they just used. They pretend that the verb is a noun.

Though I did already make this clear, and you see how poorly you did anyway,
so we both know none of this is going to help.

Have a pleasant day... speaking to myself here.








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I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

What mud? "wild donkeys and horses often dig into the dusty sediment"

Here on Earth, mud is not dusty.

Here on earth, water bearing sediment is.

Did you look at the picture?


https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species
...
In the American Southwest, wild donkeys and horses often dig into the
dusty sediment
to reach cool, crystal clear groundwater to quench their thirst. New
research shows this
equid ingenuity has far reaching benefits for the ecosystem.
...

Dry dirt everywhere. That's WHY they were digging...

Chimpanzee extractive foraging with excavating tools

They misspelled "Sticks."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0215644

Wow you're establishing what has already been established and was already corrected: They say "Tool" when they mean "Stick."

Used as a tool.

You're welcome.

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

Did you look at the picture?

If I had some crayons I'd draw you a few...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species

"Engineer."

Lol!

You're trolling. There's no way you missed it.






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I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

Did you look at the picture?

If I had some crayons I'd draw you a few...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species

"Engineer."

Lol!

You're trolling. There's no way you missed it.

He didn't follow the link, folks.

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

He didn't

Lol! "Engineer!" Do you have any inkling what that means? Any at all?

Are you the least bit familiar with the word? Hmm?

"Engineer?"

LOL!


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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 12:05:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:

I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

Did you look at the picture?

If I had some crayons I'd draw you a few...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species

"Engineer."

Lol!

You're trolling. There's no way you missed it.

He didn't follow the link, folks.

I don't think he can.

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

I don't think

See? With a little editing even you can get something right.



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On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 3:10:22 AM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 12:05:30 AM UTC-4, Primum Sapienti wrote:

I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

Did you look at the picture?

If I had some crayons I'd draw you a few...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species

"Engineer."

Lol!

You're trolling. There's no way you missed it.

He didn't follow the link, folks.

He can't.

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I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

He didn't

He STILL didn't...

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

He STILL didn't...

I understand that with your problems you can't really identify, pinpoint, WHAT is
upsetting you, much less articulate the reasons for your feelings, but let me poke fun at you for a little bit:

WHAT are you upset about? WHAT, specifically, are you disagreeing with, WHY
are you disagreeing with it and WHY is this justification for your emotional meltdown?

Again, I know you can't answer but I also know how funny that is, so I'm asking anyway... to get a laugh at your expense.






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I Envy JTEM wrote:

Primum Sapienti wrote:

Did you look at the picture?

If I had some crayons I'd draw you a few...

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/wild-donkeys-horses-ecosystem-engineer-water-holes-invasive-species

"Engineer."

Lol!

You're trolling. There's no way you missed it.

He didn't follow the link, folks.

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

He didn't follow the link, folks.

They don't support you in any way, shape or form.

Here. I can prove it. I can taunt you for your stupid, challenge you to explain your position, how "the link" supports your view. I can and I do DARE YOU
to try. But you can't. You d not dare.

You're faking it. And I'm laughing at you.





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