https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58638854
On 23.9.2021. 21:53, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58638854
Oh yes, this solid evidence isn't in tune with genetic "evidence"
(again, lol).
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On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:03:20 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:resembled Andaman people more than today's Asians or Amer. Indians.
On 23.9.2021. 21:53, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58638854
Oh yes, this solid evidence isn't in tune with genetic "evidence"
(again, lol).
--That "genetic evidence" is not including the newer data of the Surui of the Amazon and some groups in Columbia that have Andaman-like genetic traces indicating a plausibly much earlier migration. Those footprints may have been made by people who
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https://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/jarawa
Note: chaddha@Jarawa: group home, large dome hut
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:03:20 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:resembled Andaman people more than today's Asians or Amer. Indians.
On 23.9.2021. 21:53, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58638854
Oh yes, this solid evidence isn't in tune with genetic "evidence"
(again, lol).
That "genetic evidence" is not including the newer data of the Surui of the Amazon and some groups in Columbia that have Andaman-like genetic traces indicating a plausibly much earlier migration. Those footprints may have been made by people who
https://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/jarawa
Note: chaddha@Jarawa: group home, large dome hut
On 24.9.2021. 9:29, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:resembled Andaman people more than today's Asians or Amer. Indians.
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:03:20 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 23.9.2021. 21:53, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58638854
Oh yes, this solid evidence isn't in tune with genetic "evidence"
(again, lol).
That "genetic evidence" is not including the newer data of the Surui of the Amazon and some groups in Columbia that have Andaman-like genetic traces indicating a plausibly much earlier migration. Those footprints may have been made by people who
https://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/jarawaI knew that they will find a way to "adjust" themselves to the new
Note: chaddha@Jarawa: group home, large dome hut
physical data.
Yes, this is credible scientific method, whichever number you put in
front of them, they will always find a way to make it "right", lol.
I only wonder why it took them so long (yes, I even didn't bother to
see your link). How long it takes them to "adjust" these days?, Few
minutes, lol?
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On 24.9.2021. 9:29, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 4:03:20 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 23.9.2021. 21:53, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58638854
resembled Andaman people more than today's Asians or Amer. Indians.Oh yes, this solid evidence isn't in tune with genetic "evidence"
(again, lol).
That "genetic evidence" is not including the newer data of the Surui of the Amazon and some groups in Columbia that have Andaman-like genetic traces indicating a plausibly much earlier migration. Those footprints may have been made by people who
https://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/jarawaI knew that they will find a way to "adjust" themselves to the new
Note: chaddha@Jarawa: group home, large dome hut
physical data.
Yes, this is credible scientific method, whichever number you put in
front of them, they will always find a way to make it "right", lol.
I only wonder why it took them so long (yes, I even didn't bother to
see your link). How long it takes them to "adjust" these days?, Few
minutes, lol?
There's evidence -- far from proof, and maybe not the most compelling but evidence -- for humans in the New World going back much further than 21 thousand years.
When it comes to settlement in the Americans, the real question here is "What would have stopped them?"
If you answer that, you know when they weren't here and you have a good
idea when they got here,
How far back do you think this evidence goes?
When it comes to settlement in the Americans, the real question here is "What would have stopped them?"
Ice sheets, most of the time. No land connection during the interglacials. The last one was over by 100,000 years ago, and humans may not have had good water craft to make the connection before that.
"While there is evidence to suggest northeast Siberia was inhabited during a warm period
about 30,000 years ago before the last ice age peaked, after this the archaeological record
goes silent, and only returns 15,000 years ago, after the last ice age ended.
So where did the ancestors of the Native Americans go for 15,000 years, after they split from
the rest of their Asian relatives?
"As John Hoffecker, Dennis O'Rourke and I argue in an article for Science, the answer seems to be
that they lived on the Bering Land Bridge, the region between Siberia and Alaska that was dry land
when sea levels were lower, as much of the world’s freshwater was locked up in ice, but which now
lies underneath the waters of the Bering and Chukchi Seas. This theory has become increasingly
supported by genetic evidence.
peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
How far back do you think this evidence goes?
NOVA did an episode where the foremost expert on pre historic "Meat
Caches" identified what he believed to be one in Colorado, dated to
45 thousand years ago.
Strong evidence? Not a chance. But evidence.
When it comes to settlement in the Americans, the real question here is "What would have stopped them?"
Ice sheets, most of the time. No land connection during the interglacials. The last one was over by 100,000 years ago, and humans may not have had good
water craft to make the connection before that.
I wonder if it was something like dogs. But if the 45k is accurate, maybe we're
talking Denisovan or something else? If not they must've crossed from the other
side, Africa or Europe...
"While there is evidence to suggest northeast Siberia was inhabited during a warm period
about 30,000 years ago before the last ice age peaked, after this the archaeological record
goes silent, and only returns 15,000 years ago, after the last ice age ended.
So where did the ancestors of the Native Americans go for 15,000 years, after they split from
the rest of their Asian relatives?
I don't think they were the first. I think Clovis was the first time that the population density
grew enough for "A Culture" to spread. It was simply a case where, once the ice corridor
formed, enough people came over to swamp the gene pool.
"As John Hoffecker, Dennis O'Rourke and I argue in an article for Science, the answer seems to be
that they lived on the Bering Land Bridge, the region between Siberia and Alaska that was dry land
when sea levels were lower, as much of the world’s freshwater was locked up in ice, but which now
lies underneath the waters of the Bering and Chukchi Seas. This theory has become increasingly
supported by genetic evidence.
I agree. That's where the big population was. And that explains WHY they migrated: Their land
was disappearing!
THEY HAD NO CHOICE!
But they weren't the first.
They were simply the largest group.
NOVA did an episode where the foremost expert on pre historic "Meat
Caches" identified what he believed to be one in Colorado, dated to
45 thousand years ago.
Thanks. Can you recall how it was identified as a "meat cache"?
I wonder if it was something like dogs. But if the 45k is accurate, maybe we're
talking Denisovan or something else? If not they must've crossed from the other
side, Africa or Europe...
That could well be, but Homo sapiens sapiens is said to have migrated out of Africa
even before the last interglacial, and I don't think they had to have interbred
with Denisovians along the way, even if they took the land route thru Siberia.
I don't think they were the first. I think Clovis was the first time that the population density
grew enough for "A Culture" to spread. It was simply a case where, once the ice corridor
formed, enough people came over to swamp the gene pool.
Yes, but from where? Seems like they had been in and near Alaska the whole time:
If divers found archeological evidence going back to 40 k or earlier in that inundated land bridge,
that would be sensational.
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