• Humans reaching the Americas

    From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 17 11:54:19 2022
    https://youtu.be/UNuWnh2pWcw

    Oo, there are so many problems here...

    Not necessarily with him, though I do have my issues with
    the guy he mostly does explain the dynamics, and we do
    have to keep in mind that it is a Youtube video meant for
    mass consumption. I mean, he has to keep it short &
    sweet. But...

    CALICO EARLY MAN SITE

    Biggest issue with this one is that if you moved it, and many
    other "finds that rewrite history, to Africa, nobody would argue
    with you. This already has happened. Find any rocky outcrop
    near anyplace that early man is already believed to have
    existed near and these people HAVE claimed billions -- literally
    BILLIONS & BILLIONS -- of "tools" strewn about the place.

    ...because why make a tool if you're not going immediately
    throw it away. And they certainly never would have picked one
    of those billions up the next time they needed one, not one they
    could spend countless hours making new ones.

    Right?

    So one super duper major problem with the politics that
    pretends to be a science is NOT that the evidence in the
    Americas sucks but, much of the evidence sucks and
    people are used to dealing with AND ACCEPTING shitty
    evidence so, hey, why not?

    Okay, so besides crappy evidence there's another major
    problem, at least for me:

    WHAT "SETTLING" MEAN?

    I mean, I imagine I'm far from alone here when I say that I
    find it extremely easy to believe that people were reaching
    the Americas long before Clovis. Long before. Looooong
    before Clovis.

    Very easy to believe.

    When the oceans were smaller, the islands were larger &
    more numerous, after Homo learned to make water
    crossings, ANYTIME starting them there had to be at least
    the occasional "Cast Away" settling on our humble shores.

    Right?

    And that's coming from Europe or Africa,

    Imagine a Neanderthal from Gibraltar taken far out to sea
    by storm before finally touching land in the Americas?

    I for one don't really count this as "Settlement."

    Talking the Rule v. Exception thing, that would be an
    example of an exception. I think what matters here is the
    rule.

    Rule: People settled in the America

    Exception: Random castaways living out their remaining
    days here.

    I kind of think of very early arrivals in much the same way
    as I do Europeans who traveled to Virginia, New England
    and parts of Canada before the permanent colonies...

    But do they have to be? I mean, could there have been
    permanent "Prior" settlements?

    LET'S LOOK AT THE WEST COAST

    The same "Land Bridge" that allowed Clovis culture to walk
    here certainly existed at the beginning and the end of every
    single glacial period during the Quaternary.

    Like I pointed out elsewhere: The mammoths migrated here
    from Asia, evolved and then crossed BACK! All this supposedly
    said & done before any "Clovis Culture" came about...

    The present interglacial period, the Holocene, the interglacial
    whose arrival produced the conditions that allowed the Clovis
    people to stroll on in, isn't the first. Nor the second. Third. Fifth.

    They could have gotten here. They could have gotten here in
    large numbers.

    I don't think so but it is a possibility. And this leads me to a
    third and my personal favorite possibility, the one I think most
    probable:

    THE THRESHOLD

    In this model people have been arriving here just as soon as
    they could, starting when genetics/range/technology (lack
    thereof) allowed the trip. But in very small numbers, small
    groups.

    Small groups, large continent... isolation.

    I think it was Clovis that finally crossed a population
    threshold where the population was big enough so that
    formerly isolated groups could have outside contact.

    Maybe not without a lot of movement, migration or
    simple "Wander lust," but it could happen.

    Under this model the Clovis and later people genetically
    swamped everyone else. They didn't kill them all, though
    they may have brought disease with them, they out bred
    the prior inhabitants.

    There might've been cultural difference too. Like the
    children of Clovis & after produced with descendants
    of prior populations were seen as belonging to the
    Clovis (and later) group.

    This sort of dynamic is common in even modern people.
    Obama, for example, has a white mother but is identified
    as black -- belonging to the "African American" group.

    Thoughts? Criticisms? Screechings?





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