• Inlanders survived 1,000 yrs after tsunami erased coastals

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 9 23:56:35 2022
    Megathrust earthquake and tsunami 3,800 years ago kept hunter-gathers in Chile inland for 1,000 years
    by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

    REPORT
    tsunami
    Credit: CC0 Public Domain

    An international team of researchers has found evidence of a megathrust earthquake occurring approximately 3,800 years ago off the coast of what is now Chile. In their paper published in the journal Science Advances, the team describes evidence they
    found of the ensuing tsunami and its impact on the people who lived in the area at the time.



    In 1966, a massive earthquake shook the ground in southern Chile. Seismographs showed it to be 9.5 on the Richter scale—the strongest earthquake in recorded history. In this new effort, the researchers have found evidence of an equally strong
    earthquake occurring in roughly the same area approximately 3,800 years ago—one that set off a massive tsunami that wreaked havoc on the early hunter-gatherers who were living along the coast.

    The work by the researchers involved digging through layers of dirt in the Atacama Desert looking for sediment left behind by the tsunami. Radiocarbon dating of shells and charcoal fragments in the sediment showed it to be from approximately 3,800 years
    ago. The tsunami was so big it left a trail of debris for 1,000 miles and likely pushed seawater up to 15 to 20 meters above sea level.

    Territory and Resilience in the hyperarid Atacama Desert. Credit: Diego Salazar Chile's coast lies on a subduction zone—the Nazca oceanic plate is slowly being pushed under the South American continental plate, and because of that, the area has a lot of earthquakes. Sometimes they are really big ones, which are called megathrust
    earthquakes. Plate activity is also responsible for the creation of the Andes mountains and its volcanic activity.

    Tsunami amplitude modeling Mw9.5 Eq NChile. Credit: Mauricio Fuentes
    The researchers also found evidence of shifts in population centers following the tsunami—people moved inland and to higher ground. Evidence was also found of people moving their burial grounds. The researchers found that the people did not start
    returning to the shore for over a thousand years and even then, they appeared to be hesitant to move too close to the sea. Researchers note that they have not found evidence of how the memory of the tsunami could have persisted for so long in a people
    who did not have a written language. They also suggest that their work could contribute to safety plans for the people who live in the area today.

    Earthquake driven uplifted paleo-beaches at Zapatero archaeological site. Credit: Gabriel Easton


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    Weird earthquake reveals hidden mechanism
    More information: Diego Salazar et al, Did a 3800-year-old M w ~9.5 earthquake trigger major social disruption in the Atacama Desert?, Science Advances (2022). DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abm2996

    Journal information: Science Advances

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 10 09:36:59 2022
    On 10.4.2022. 8:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Megathrust earthquake and tsunami 3,800 years ago kept hunter-gathers in Chile inland for 1,000 years
    by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

    REPORT
    tsunami
    Credit: CC0 Public Domain

    An international team of researchers has found evidence of a megathrust earthquake occurring approximately 3,800 years ago off the coast of what is now Chile. In their paper published in the journal Science Advances, the team describes evidence they
    found of the ensuing tsunami and its impact on the people who lived in the area at the time.



    In 1966, a massive earthquake shook the ground in southern Chile. Seismographs showed it to be 9.5 on the Richter scale—the strongest earthquake in recorded history. In this new effort, the researchers have found evidence of an equally strong
    earthquake occurring in roughly the same area approximately 3,800 years ago—one that set off a massive tsunami that wreaked havoc on the early hunter-gatherers who were living along the coast.

    The work by the researchers involved digging through layers of dirt in the Atacama Desert looking for sediment left behind by the tsunami. Radiocarbon dating of shells and charcoal fragments in the sediment showed it to be from approximately 3,800
    years ago. The tsunami was so big it left a trail of debris for 1,000 miles and likely pushed seawater up to 15 to 20 meters above sea level.

    Territory and Resilience in the hyperarid Atacama Desert. Credit: Diego Salazar
    Chile's coast lies on a subduction zone—the Nazca oceanic plate is slowly being pushed under the South American continental plate, and because of that, the area has a lot of earthquakes. Sometimes they are really big ones, which are called megathrust
    earthquakes. Plate activity is also responsible for the creation of the Andes mountains and its volcanic activity.

    Tsunami amplitude modeling Mw9.5 Eq NChile. Credit: Mauricio Fuentes
    The researchers also found evidence of shifts in population centers following the tsunami—people moved inland and to higher ground. Evidence was also found of people moving their burial grounds. The researchers found that the people did not start
    returning to the shore for over a thousand years and even then, they appeared to be hesitant to move too close to the sea. Researchers note that they have not found evidence of how the memory of the tsunami could have persisted for so long in a people
    who did not have a written language. They also suggest that their work could contribute to safety plans for the people who live in the area today.

    Earthquake driven uplifted paleo-beaches at Zapatero archaeological site. Credit: Gabriel Easton


    + Explore further
    Weird earthquake reveals hidden mechanism
    More information: Diego Salazar et al, Did a 3800-year-old M w ~9.5 earthquake trigger major social disruption in the Atacama Desert?, Science Advances (2022). DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abm2996

    Journal information: Science Advances

    © 2022 Science X Network

    Tsunami doesn't affect cliffs. 20 m high wave cannot do anything to a
    25 m high cliff.
    People were singing, making songs, this is how they remembered. Just
    like Homer. They rhyme the words, for easier remembrance. After some
    time this turns into a melody.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Sun Apr 10 16:49:23 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 10.4.2022. 8:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Megathrust earthquake and tsunami 3,800 years ago kept hunter-gathers in Chile inland for 1,000 years
    by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

    REPORT
    tsunami
    Credit: CC0 Public Domain

    An international team of researchers has found evidence of a megathrust earthquake occurring approximately 3,800 years ago off the coast of what is now Chile. In their paper published in the journal Science Advances, the team describes evidence they
    found of the ensuing tsunami and its impact on the people who lived in the area at the time.



    In 1966, a massive earthquake shook the ground in southern Chile. Seismographs showed it to be 9.5 on the Richter scale—the strongest earthquake in recorded history. In this new effort, the researchers have found evidence of an equally strong
    earthquake occurring in roughly the same area approximately 3,800 years ago—one that set off a massive tsunami that wreaked havoc on the early hunter-gatherers who were living along the coast.

    The work by the researchers involved digging through layers of dirt in the Atacama Desert looking for sediment left behind by the tsunami. Radiocarbon dating of shells and charcoal fragments in the sediment showed it to be from approximately 3,800
    years ago. The tsunami was so big it left a trail of debris for 1,000 miles and likely pushed seawater up to 15 to 20 meters above sea level.

    Territory and Resilience in the hyperarid Atacama Desert. Credit: Diego Salazar
    Chile's coast lies on a subduction zone—the Nazca oceanic plate is slowly being pushed under the South American continental plate, and because of that, the area has a lot of earthquakes. Sometimes they are really big ones, which are called
    megathrust earthquakes. Plate activity is also responsible for the creation of the Andes mountains and its volcanic activity.

    Tsunami amplitude modeling Mw9.5 Eq NChile. Credit: Mauricio Fuentes
    The researchers also found evidence of shifts in population centers following the tsunami—people moved inland and to higher ground. Evidence was also found of people moving their burial grounds. The researchers found that the people did not start
    returning to the shore for over a thousand years and even then, they appeared to be hesitant to move too close to the sea. Researchers note that they have not found evidence of how the memory of the tsunami could have persisted for so long in a people
    who did not have a written language. They also suggest that their work could contribute to safety plans for the people who live in the area today.

    Earthquake driven uplifted paleo-beaches at Zapatero archaeological site. Credit: Gabriel Easton


    + Explore further
    Weird earthquake reveals hidden mechanism
    More information: Diego Salazar et al, Did a 3800-year-old M w ~9.5 earthquake trigger major social disruption in the Atacama Desert?, Science Advances (2022). DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abm2996

    Journal information: Science Advances

    © 2022 Science X Network
    Tsunami doesn't affect cliffs. 20 m high wave cannot do anything to a
    25 m high cliff.
    People were singing, making songs, this is how they remembered. Just
    like Homer. They rhyme the words, for easier remembrance. After some
    time this turns into a melody.

    --
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    human-e...@googlegroups.com

    Can babies climb 5 m high cliffs?

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Apr 11 02:26:47 2022
    On 11.4.2022. 2:17, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 11.4.2022. 1:49, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 10.4.2022. 8:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Megathrust earthquake and tsunami 3,800 years ago kept
    hunter-gathers in Chile inland for 1,000 years
    by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

    REPORT
    tsunami
    Credit: CC0 Public Domain

    An international team of researchers has found evidence of a
    megathrust earthquake occurring approximately 3,800 years ago off
    the coast of what is now Chile. In their paper published in the
    journal Science Advances, the team describes evidence they found of
    the ensuing tsunami and its impact on the people who lived in the
    area at the time.



    In 1966, a massive earthquake shook the ground in southern Chile.
    Seismographs showed it to be 9.5 on the Richter scale—the strongest
    earthquake in recorded history. In this new effort, the researchers
    have found evidence of an equally strong earthquake occurring in
    roughly the same area approximately 3,800 years ago—one that set off >>>> a massive tsunami that wreaked havoc on the early hunter-gatherers
    who were living along the coast.

    The work by the researchers involved digging through layers of dirt
    in the Atacama Desert looking for sediment left behind by the
    tsunami. Radiocarbon dating of shells and charcoal fragments in the
    sediment showed it to be from approximately 3,800 years ago. The
    tsunami was so big it left a trail of debris for 1,000 miles and
    likely pushed seawater up to 15 to 20 meters above sea level.

    Territory and Resilience in the hyperarid Atacama Desert. Credit:
    Diego Salazar
    Chile's coast lies on a subduction zone—the Nazca oceanic plate is
    slowly being pushed under the South American continental plate, and
    because of that, the area has a lot of earthquakes. Sometimes they
    are really big ones, which are called megathrust earthquakes. Plate
    activity is also responsible for the creation of the Andes mountains
    and its volcanic activity.

    Tsunami amplitude modeling Mw9.5 Eq NChile. Credit: Mauricio Fuentes
    The researchers also found evidence of shifts in population centers
    following the tsunami—people moved inland and to higher ground.
    Evidence was also found of people moving their burial grounds. The
    researchers found that the people did not start returning to the
    shore for over a thousand years and even then, they appeared to be
    hesitant to move too close to the sea. Researchers note that they
    have not found evidence of how the memory of the tsunami could have
    persisted for so long in a people who did not have a written
    language. They also suggest that their work could contribute to
    safety plans for the people who live in the area today.

    Earthquake driven uplifted paleo-beaches at Zapatero archaeological
    site. Credit: Gabriel Easton


    + Explore further
    Weird earthquake reveals hidden mechanism
    More information: Diego Salazar et al, Did a 3800-year-old M w ~9.5
    earthquake trigger major social disruption in the Atacama Desert?,
    Science Advances (2022). DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abm2996

    Journal information: Science Advances

    © 2022 Science X Network
    Tsunami doesn't affect cliffs. 20 m high wave cannot do anything to a
    25 m high cliff.
    People were singing, making songs, this is how they remembered. Just
    like Homer. They rhyme the words, for easier remembrance. After some
    time this turns into a melody.

    Can babies climb 5 m high cliffs?

            Babies can float. Tsunami doesn't do anything to cliffy coast.
    It makes huge devastation on low coasts, not on cliffy. In cliffy, all
    it does is it rise its level, nothing more. On low coasts it devastates,
    it drowns people, does a lot of nasty stuff.
            I know that you don't believe me, this was explained in one documentary about tsunamis, ans I cannot find the info on internet, unfortunately.

    Actually, tsunami doesn't do anything far offshore, also, in deep
    water. In deep water tsunami wave is long. Boat would only very slowly
    rise, and drop, you would barely notice anything. In shallow sea those
    waves shorten and break, just like any surf wave, and this is what
    creates those devastating waves, shallow water.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 02:17:45 2022
    On 11.4.2022. 1:49, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 10.4.2022. 8:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Megathrust earthquake and tsunami 3,800 years ago kept hunter-gathers in Chile inland for 1,000 years
    by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

    REPORT
    tsunami
    Credit: CC0 Public Domain

    An international team of researchers has found evidence of a megathrust earthquake occurring approximately 3,800 years ago off the coast of what is now Chile. In their paper published in the journal Science Advances, the team describes evidence they
    found of the ensuing tsunami and its impact on the people who lived in the area at the time.



    In 1966, a massive earthquake shook the ground in southern Chile. Seismographs showed it to be 9.5 on the Richter scale—the strongest earthquake in recorded history. In this new effort, the researchers have found evidence of an equally strong
    earthquake occurring in roughly the same area approximately 3,800 years ago—one that set off a massive tsunami that wreaked havoc on the early hunter-gatherers who were living along the coast.

    The work by the researchers involved digging through layers of dirt in the Atacama Desert looking for sediment left behind by the tsunami. Radiocarbon dating of shells and charcoal fragments in the sediment showed it to be from approximately 3,800
    years ago. The tsunami was so big it left a trail of debris for 1,000 miles and likely pushed seawater up to 15 to 20 meters above sea level.

    Territory and Resilience in the hyperarid Atacama Desert. Credit: Diego Salazar
    Chile's coast lies on a subduction zone—the Nazca oceanic plate is slowly being pushed under the South American continental plate, and because of that, the area has a lot of earthquakes. Sometimes they are really big ones, which are called
    megathrust earthquakes. Plate activity is also responsible for the creation of the Andes mountains and its volcanic activity.

    Tsunami amplitude modeling Mw9.5 Eq NChile. Credit: Mauricio Fuentes
    The researchers also found evidence of shifts in population centers following the tsunami—people moved inland and to higher ground. Evidence was also found of people moving their burial grounds. The researchers found that the people did not start
    returning to the shore for over a thousand years and even then, they appeared to be hesitant to move too close to the sea. Researchers note that they have not found evidence of how the memory of the tsunami could have persisted for so long in a people
    who did not have a written language. They also suggest that their work could contribute to safety plans for the people who live in the area today.

    Earthquake driven uplifted paleo-beaches at Zapatero archaeological site. Credit: Gabriel Easton


    + Explore further
    Weird earthquake reveals hidden mechanism
    More information: Diego Salazar et al, Did a 3800-year-old M w ~9.5 earthquake trigger major social disruption in the Atacama Desert?, Science Advances (2022). DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abm2996

    Journal information: Science Advances

    © 2022 Science X Network
    Tsunami doesn't affect cliffs. 20 m high wave cannot do anything to a
    25 m high cliff.
    People were singing, making songs, this is how they remembered. Just
    like Homer. They rhyme the words, for easier remembrance. After some
    time this turns into a melody.

    Can babies climb 5 m high cliffs?

    Babies can float. Tsunami doesn't do anything to cliffy coast. It
    makes huge devastation on low coasts, not on cliffy. In cliffy, all it
    does is it rise its level, nothing more. On low coasts it devastates, it
    drowns people, does a lot of nasty stuff.
    I know that you don't believe me, this was explained in one documentary about tsunamis, ans I cannot find the info on internet, unfortunately.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Tue Apr 12 00:02:51 2022
    Mario Petrinovic wrote:

    Actually, tsunami doesn't do anything far offshore, also, in deep
    water.

    Absolutely correct You are frightening me.

    One of the best defenses against a tsunami, if you know it's coming,
    is to jump into a boat and head out to sea.



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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Tue Apr 12 01:57:43 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 8:26:48 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 11.4.2022. 2:17, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 11.4.2022. 1:49, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:36:59 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>> On 10.4.2022. 8:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    Megathrust earthquake and tsunami 3,800 years ago kept
    hunter-gathers in Chile inland for 1,000 years
    by Bob Yirka , Phys.org

    REPORT
    tsunami
    Credit: CC0 Public Domain

    An international team of researchers has found evidence of a
    megathrust earthquake occurring approximately 3,800 years ago off
    the coast of what is now Chile. In their paper published in the
    journal Science Advances, the team describes evidence they found of >>>> the ensuing tsunami and its impact on the people who lived in the
    area at the time.



    In 1966, a massive earthquake shook the ground in southern Chile.
    Seismographs showed it to be 9.5 on the Richter scale—the strongest >>>> earthquake in recorded history. In this new effort, the researchers >>>> have found evidence of an equally strong earthquake occurring in
    roughly the same area approximately 3,800 years ago—one that set off >>>> a massive tsunami that wreaked havoc on the early hunter-gatherers
    who were living along the coast.

    The work by the researchers involved digging through layers of dirt >>>> in the Atacama Desert looking for sediment left behind by the
    tsunami. Radiocarbon dating of shells and charcoal fragments in the >>>> sediment showed it to be from approximately 3,800 years ago. The
    tsunami was so big it left a trail of debris for 1,000 miles and
    likely pushed seawater up to 15 to 20 meters above sea level.

    Territory and Resilience in the hyperarid Atacama Desert. Credit:
    Diego Salazar
    Chile's coast lies on a subduction zone—the Nazca oceanic plate is >>>> slowly being pushed under the South American continental plate, and >>>> because of that, the area has a lot of earthquakes. Sometimes they
    are really big ones, which are called megathrust earthquakes. Plate >>>> activity is also responsible for the creation of the Andes mountains >>>> and its volcanic activity.

    Tsunami amplitude modeling Mw9.5 Eq NChile. Credit: Mauricio Fuentes >>>> The researchers also found evidence of shifts in population centers >>>> following the tsunami—people moved inland and to higher ground.
    Evidence was also found of people moving their burial grounds. The
    researchers found that the people did not start returning to the
    shore for over a thousand years and even then, they appeared to be
    hesitant to move too close to the sea. Researchers note that they
    have not found evidence of how the memory of the tsunami could have >>>> persisted for so long in a people who did not have a written
    language. They also suggest that their work could contribute to
    safety plans for the people who live in the area today.

    Earthquake driven uplifted paleo-beaches at Zapatero archaeological >>>> site. Credit: Gabriel Easton


    + Explore further
    Weird earthquake reveals hidden mechanism
    More information: Diego Salazar et al, Did a 3800-year-old M w ~9.5 >>>> earthquake trigger major social disruption in the Atacama Desert?,
    Science Advances (2022). DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.abm2996

    Journal information: Science Advances

    © 2022 Science X Network
    Tsunami doesn't affect cliffs. 20 m high wave cannot do anything to a >>> 25 m high cliff.
    People were singing, making songs, this is how they remembered. Just
    like Homer. They rhyme the words, for easier remembrance. After some
    time this turns into a melody.

    Can babies climb 5 m high cliffs?

    Babies can float. Tsunami doesn't do anything to cliffy coast.
    It makes huge devastation on low coasts, not on cliffy. In cliffy, all
    it does is it rise its level, nothing more. On low coasts it devastates, it drowns people, does a lot of nasty stuff.
    I know that you don't believe me, this was explained in one documentary about tsunamis, ans I cannot find the info on internet, unfortunately.
    Actually, tsunami doesn't do anything far offshore, also, in deep
    water. In deep water tsunami wave is long. Boat would only very slowly
    rise, and drop, you would barely notice anything. In shallow sea those
    waves shorten and break, just like any surf wave, and this is what
    creates those devastating waves, shallow water.

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    human-e...@googlegroups.com

    Tsu-nami = harbor-wave. By the time you see it coming, its too late to swim beyond it, so you can only climb uphill. Most tsunamis begin far away from their devastating effects, the tremor isn't felt locally except by some sensitive fauna.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue Apr 12 11:15:56 2022
    On 12.4.2022. 9:02, I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    Actually, tsunami doesn't do anything far offshore, also, in deep
    water.

    Absolutely correct You are frightening me.

    One of the best defenses against a tsunami, if you know it's coming,
    is to jump into a boat and head out to sea.

    Too much work. It is easy, just climb higher, everybody says that
    (even elephants know that), find a higher ground. People were safely
    watching tsunami unrolling right below their very feet.
    Don't be low, don't be in shallow waters.
    This is tsunami just like it would have been on the coast of Chile. No
    problems at all, if you don't have property down low (and if your life
    doesn't depend on your property):
    https://youtu.be/I-Bnk_tyMW8

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 13:18:03 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Tsu-nami = harbor-wave. By the time you see it coming, its too late to swim beyond it

    You either felt the earthquake that caused it -- the shock wave -- or you saw the water being drawn out to sea. That's the most obvious sign: The water
    is drawn out.

    But it doesn't matter. Your subject line can be translated to read:

    "People living beyond the range of a tsunami don't die in tsunamis."




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