H.erectus had flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis, big brain, broad body, valgus knees, platycephaly, vulnerable nose, island colonizations, intercontinental dispersal etc.etc.
No dobut erectus "hunted" shellfish:
only incredible fools still believe H.erectus hunted antelopes.
H.erectus had flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis, big brain, broad body, valgus knees, platycephaly, vulnerable nose, island colonizations, intercontinental dispersal etc.etc.
No dobut erectus "hunted" shellfish:
only incredible fools still believe H.erectus hunted antelopes.
I see erectus as the birth of "Modern Man."
Maybe not 100% of the kinks were worked out yet, but if some of
the creatures they are calling "Modern" are actually modern, then
erectus had to be modern as well.
"Aquatic Ape" probably began millions of years before erectus
though. I see erectus as the result, the conclusion.
Op zondag 3 april 2022 om 00:11:07 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
H.erectus had flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis, big brain, broad body, valgus knees, platycephaly, vulnerable nose, island colonizations, intercontinental dispersal etc.etc.
No dobut erectus "hunted" shellfish:
only incredible fools still believe H.erectus hunted antelopes.
I see erectus as the birth of "Modern Man."Aquarborealism began mill.of yrs before erectus:
Maybe not 100% of the kinks were worked out yet, but if some of
the creatures they are calling "Modern" are actually modern, then
erectus had to be modern as well.
"Aquatic Ape" probably began millions of years before erectus
though. I see erectus as the result, the conclusion.
- aquarborealism (bipedal wading + climbing arms overhead in swamp forests) began 25-20 Ma?
- frequent shallow-diving probably began early-Pleistocene c 2 Ma:
IMO
0) Mio-Pliocene hominoids, google our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"
1) early-Pleistocene H.erectus along the Ind.Ocean = frequent shallow-diving, 2) mid-Pleist.H.neand.etc. seasonally followed the rivers inland, frequent wading,
3) late-Pleist.H.sapiens: from wading to walking.
On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:30:11 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
Op zondag 3 april 2022 om 00:11:07 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
H.erectus had flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis, big brain, broad body, valgus knees, platycephaly, vulnerable nose, island colonizations, intercontinental dispersal etc.etc.
No dobut erectus "hunted" shellfish:
only incredible fools still believe H.erectus hunted antelopes.
I see erectus as the birth of "Modern Man."Aquarborealism began mill.of yrs before erectus:
Maybe not 100% of the kinks were worked out yet, but if some of
the creatures they are calling "Modern" are actually modern, then
erectus had to be modern as well.
"Aquatic Ape" probably began millions of years before erectus
though. I see erectus as the result, the conclusion.
- aquarborealism (bipedal wading + climbing arms overhead in swamp forests) began 25-20 Ma?
- frequent shallow-diving probably began early-Pleistocene c 2 Ma:
IMO
0) Mio-Pliocene hominoids, google our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" 1) early-Pleistocene H.erectus along the Ind.Ocean = frequent shallow-diving,
2) mid-Pleist.H.neand.etc. seasonally followed the rivers inland, frequent wading,
3) late-Pleist.H.sapiens: from wading to walking.
MV claims that hylobatids waded, despite the fact that none of today's hylobatids wade.
3) IMO early hominoids >20 Ma were aquarboreal
Apes also evolved a fear of water. They
are not born with an inherent capacity to
swim, as are all virtually all other animals,
including monkeys.
When why and how did all this happen?
On Thursday 7 April 2022 at 16:57:07 UTC+1, littor...@gmail.com wrote:Dumber.
3) IMO early hominoids >20 Ma were aquarborealPrimates (other than apes) have a chest body-
form that follows the standard quadrupedal
pattern -- narrow and deep. This form enables
the heart to be located at the lowest point of
the trunk, where it is most efficient, when
travelling quadrupedally.
Apes evolved broad flat chests, and their
shoulders moved to the top corners of
their chests, with their scapulas located
on their backs, instead of their sides.
Their spines became centralised, and
they lost their tails.
See: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/7bf7c5ea-2c89-42bb-a16a-e4db6a39190a/joa12454-fig-0007-m.jpg
Apes also evolved a fear of water. They
are not born with an inherent capacity to
swim, as are all virtually all other animals,
including monkeys.
When why and how did all this happen?
Op donderdag 7 april 2022 om 13:41:36 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:Dumb.
On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:30:11 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
Op zondag 3 april 2022 om 00:11:07 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
H.erectus had flat feet, pachyosteosclerosis, big brain, broad body, valgus knees, platycephaly, vulnerable nose, island colonizations, intercontinental dispersal etc.etc.
No dobut erectus "hunted" shellfish:
only incredible fools still believe H.erectus hunted antelopes.
I see erectus as the birth of "Modern Man."Aquarborealism began mill.of yrs before erectus:
Maybe not 100% of the kinks were worked out yet, but if some of
the creatures they are calling "Modern" are actually modern, then erectus had to be modern as well.
"Aquatic Ape" probably began millions of years before erectus
though. I see erectus as the result, the conclusion.
- aquarborealism (bipedal wading + climbing arms overhead in swamp forests) began 25-20 Ma?
- frequent shallow-diving probably began early-Pleistocene c 2 Ma:
IMO
0) Mio-Pliocene hominoids, google our TREE paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" 1) early-Pleistocene H.erectus along the Ind.Ocean = frequent shallow-diving,
2) mid-Pleist.H.neand.etc. seasonally followed the rivers inland, frequent wading,
3) late-Pleist.H.sapiens: from wading to walking.
MV claims that hylobatids waded, despite the fact that none of today's hylobatids wade.Sigh... My little boy, you're becoming more & more ridiculous & childish:
1) selective reading = typical of closed-minded people
2) not thinking a bit?
3) IMO early hominoids >20 Ma were aquarboreal
4) Mesopotamian Seaway closure = hominid/pongid split = 15 Ma,
IOW after 15 Ma aquarboreal pongids in S.Asia followed hylobatids -> higher into trees
okidoki?? got it??
Paul Crowley wrote:
Apes also evolved a fear of water. Theyhumans are apes. Our aquatic ancestors had to begin BEFORE
are not born with an inherent capacity to
swim, as are all virtually all other animals,
including monkeys.
Chimps or even gorillas.
Chimps evolved from an upright walking ancestor, probably a
tool user -- a real tool user. Chimps spun off from our line, not
the other way around.
In all probability, the same is true for gorillas.
When why and how did all this happen?Depends on your source. Are you denying that humans & Chimps
share common ancestry?
-- --Dumbest.
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/680631634399264768
...3) IMO early hominoids >20 Ma were aquarboreal
Apes also evolved a fear of water.
. .Apes evolved broad flat chests, and their. .
shoulders moved to the top corners of
their chests, with their scapulas located
on their backs, instead of their sides.
Their spines became centralised, and
they lost their tails.
See:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/7bf7c5ea-2c89-42bb-a16a-e4db6a39190a/joa12454-fig-0007-m.jpg
Apes also evolved a fear of water. They
are not born with an inherent capacity to
swim, as are all virtually all other animals,
including monkeys.
When why and how did all this happen?
Dumber.
As are gibbons, chimps, orangutansApes also evolved a fear of water. They. .
are not born with an inherent capacity to
swim, as are all virtually all other animals,
including monkeys.
humans are apes.
. .
. .There was NO aquatic ancestry. If there
Our aquatic ancestors had to begin BEFORE
Chimps or even gorillas.
. .
I Envy JTEM wrote:
humans are apes.
As are gibbons, chimps, orangutans
and gorillas. They all share the features
and behaviours I mentioned
humans are apes.
As are gibbons, chimps, orangutans
and gorillas. They all share the features
and behaviours I mentioned
And yet we know that Chimps evolved knuckle walking AFTER splitting
off from our line. They weren't arboreal knuckle walkers. The LCA was
an upright walking tool user who lived long after the first Aquatic Ape.
1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids: vertical, wading-climbing
2) early-Pleistocene littoral Homo: shallow-diving for shellfish
3) late-Pleistocene wading-walking H.sapiens: salmon...?
1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids: vertical, wading-climbing
2) early-Pleistocene littoral Homo: shallow-diving for shellfish
3) late-Pleistocene wading-walking H.sapiens: salmon...?
Your timing seems right but...
Habilis is where we see an evolutionarily significant leap in brain size, which would be a prediction of Aquatic Ape.
Given the spread of Homo, we need a model that limits their ability
to exploit the sea, hence requiring a relocation to more fertile stretches
of beach. This in turn requires either large groups -- devouring the food supply before moving on -- or an inability to dive.
Let's face it, diving would push the exploitable area well before even
the low tide shoreline...
Call it a hunch, but I would think that diving came later. That, at first all they did was walk along the shore, eating. If it washed up or they could
dig it up, it was dinner. This along would have provided far more protein
for less labor than any inland population could hope for, but orders of magnitude more Omega-3s..more brain building Omega-3s.
This is one reason why I love Aquatic Ape so much: They didn't have to ""Evolve" into geniuses. Their brains were going to get bigger just from eating all those Omega-3s. At the very least they were going to attain
their maximum size allowable with their genetics. When mutations
resulted in bigger-brain genes they could exploit them immediately without doing anything new.
Your timing seems right but...
Habilis is where we see an evolutionarily significant leap in brain size, which would be a prediction of Aquatic Ape.
What is "habilis"? an amalgan of mostly E.Afr.apiths + some Homo?
Call it a hunch, but I would think that diving came later. That, at first all
they did was walk along the shore, eating. If it washed up or they could dig it up, it was dinner. This alon[e] would have provided far more protein for less labor than any inland population could hope for, but orders of magnitude more Omega-3s..more brain building Omega-3s.
Regular diving came late: not before the Pleistocene?
That we were marine mammals is proven by several independent facts (thanks, Michel Odent!):
- erectus' pachyosteosclerosis,
- our vernix caseosa,
- our iodine needs,
- Homo's big brain,
- intercontinental dispersal,
- island colonisations etc.
Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.
This is one reason why I love Aquatic Ape so much: They didn't have to ""Evolve" into geniuses. Their brains were going to get bigger just from eating all those Omega-3s. At the very least they were going to attain their maximum size allowable with their genetics. When mutations
resulted in bigger-brain genes they could exploit them immediately without doing anything new.
Yes.
Your timing seems right but...
Habilis is where we see an evolutionarily significant leap in brain size, which would be a prediction of Aquatic Ape.
What is "habilis"? an amalgan of mostly E.Afr.apiths + some Homo?
if you assume an Asian origins, yes. Definitely. But WHAT it is wouldn't
be the relevant bit here. No, what is relevant is that we see an unambiguous increase in brain size, which is a prediction of Aquatic Ape.
We have within the fossil record, in the case of habilis, an unambiguous
jump in brain size, which is a prediction of Aquatic Ape.
Call it a hunch, but I would think that diving came later. That, at first all
they did was walk along the shore, eating. If it washed up or they could dig it up, it was dinner. This alon[e] would have provided far more protein
for less labor than any inland population could hope for, but orders of magnitude more Omega-3s..more brain building Omega-3s.
Regular diving came late: not before the Pleistocene?
I have no idea when. Like I said, it's on the level of a hunch.
i like your idea that "Humans" really hit their stride with erectus. It seems that anything before is a little too different, and everything after is far too
close to the same.
That we were marine mammals is proven by several independent facts (thanks, Michel Odent!):
- erectus' pachyosteosclerosis,
- our vernix caseosa,
- our iodine needs,
- Homo's big brain,
- intercontinental dispersal,
- island colonisations etc.
Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.
Oh, trust me, I've accepted your position. What I'm doing is moving on, building a model with it. I'm not arguing against your Aquatic anything.
I'm basing everything on it. You're a starting point.
This is one reason why I love Aquatic Ape so much: They didn't have to ""Evolve" into geniuses. Their brains were going to get bigger just from eating all those Omega-3s. At the very least they were going to attain their maximum size allowable with their genetics. When mutations
resulted in bigger-brain genes they could exploit them immediately without
doing anything new.
Yes.
Savanna "Theory" says they evolved an upright stance and the ability to run by standing upright & running. It is a textbook example of a circular argument.
Aquatic Ape says that their brains HAD TO grow just as large as they could, because of all those brain building Omega-3s, that they were going to get smarter without even trying, they were going to push into new territories, face new obstacles, new riddles to solve, even as their brains were growing bigger & smarter... FIRST they grew smarter, THEN they figured out tools & such.
Yes, whether is was Africa/Arabia/Europe/Asia is not so important, it was littoral.
i like your idea that "Humans" really hit their stride with erectus. It seems
that anything before is a little too different, and everything after is far too
close to the same.
H.erectus is no doubt slow+shallow-diving. H.habilis possibly.
The biggest problem is not whether our seaside evolution is correct, but how is it
possible that nonsense like antelope running got published in Nature?!?
Savanna "Theory" says they evolved an upright stance and the ability to run by standing upright & running. It is a textbook example of a circular argument.
Indeed: that's what we've been saying for ages.
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