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  • Why erectus never made it to the Americas

    From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 27 14:50:54 2022
    #1. Who said they didn't?

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly
    compelling evidence but some evidence just the
    same. Erectus may have reached the Americas. Maybe
    not.

    #2. Define "Reaching the Americas"

    If a single toe from a single erectus touched shore on
    the Americas, does that count? I would think not. I
    would think that be "erectus in the Americas" it's
    meant that a sustained population existed for, I dunno,
    some generations? But given how massive the expanse
    that is the Americas -- north & south -- and the major
    changes to the topography, would we even find them?

    We find Clovis points, right? But what of the Clovis people?

    https://news.ku.dk/all_news/2014/02/americas-only-clovis-skeleton-had-its-genome-mapped/

    So even if erectus did reach the Americas we wouldn't
    find per se, we'd only find tools they have left behind,
    and this brings us back to point #1, above, because
    there are anomalous finds that are claimed to be within
    the age range necessary for erectus...

    #3. Erectus wasn't cold-adapted

    Erectus seems to be a tropical or very-near-tropical
    people. We don't find them in Germany or the U.K.
    at all, now do we? Their European adventures seem
    to be limited to the southeast -- warmer Mediterranean
    climates. Heidelberg man or "Antecessor" had to
    evolve before they could start spreading north.

    Maybe they lacked protected clothing?

    Let's face it, if you're diving underwater then animal
    skins are going to weigh you down. And even if they
    didn't, frigid waters are NOT what you're going to want
    to be diving into...

    Homo erectus likely had very different mtDNA, a
    lineage that wasn't producing the energy (warmth) it
    needed to help them tolerate the cold.

    This would not stop erectus from thriving in many
    parts of the Americas, where it would be plenty warm
    enough, but they'd have to reach them first. The route
    through Siberia would certainly be out of the question.
    Direct routes across the sea would be so difficult that
    we could rule out anything other than accidental.. which
    is NOT a good model for a sustained population at all.

    In summation: Homo erectus didn't reach the Americas
    because they were not cold adapted, and thus the only
    routes open to them were not conducive to enough
    individuals collecting in one area at one time to form a
    breeding population.


    ::Discuss::




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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 06:05:30 2022
    There were no planes, yet.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Mar 28 02:20:45 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:05:31 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    There were no planes, yet.

    There were flood plains, that's close enough.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 12:16:54 2022
    On 28.3.2022. 11:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:05:31 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    There were no planes, yet.

    There were flood plains, that's close enough.

    There weren't ships, either. Only giant Dumbos, and similar nasty
    creatures :) .
    https://youtu.be/Pg0fsuumQLw

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Mar 28 04:56:11 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 6:16:55 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 28.3.2022. 11:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:05:31 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    There were no planes, yet.

    There were flood plains, that's close enough.
    There weren't ships, either. Only giant Dumbos, and similar nasty
    creatures :) .
    https://youtu.be/Pg0fsuumQLw

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    Big ears & big nose: dumbo & pink panther? https://youtu.be/CEWUnNXKFtM

    I thought you said they were building wooden ships.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 28 20:44:04 2022
    On 28.3.2022. 13:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 6:16:55 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 28.3.2022. 11:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:05:31 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>> There were no planes, yet.

    There were flood plains, that's close enough.
    There weren't ships, either. Only giant Dumbos, and similar nasty
    creatures :) .
    https://youtu.be/Pg0fsuumQLw

    Big ears & big nose: dumbo & pink panther? https://youtu.be/CEWUnNXKFtM

    I thought you said they were building wooden ships.

    Canoes. You got to have ground tools to make hollow tree trunks. You
    got to have bronze to make wooden ships.
    I didn't read what JTEM wrote, but Chinese had all of those, and yet,
    they didn't come to America. Too cold. Eskimos did, though.
    In my view, we are modern erectus. The only difference is the use of
    hematite, nothing else. So, erectus started to use hematite and became
    human.
    I mean, it isn't easy to live in cold, you have to be adapted to it.
    Hematite produced (obviously) two kind of humans, Neanderthals and Homo sapiens. Neanderthals were adapted to coldness.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Mar 28 14:56:32 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 28.3.2022. 13:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 6:16:55 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 28.3.2022. 11:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:05:31 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>> There were no planes, yet.

    There were flood plains, that's close enough.
    There weren't ships, either. Only giant Dumbos, and similar nasty
    creatures :) .
    https://youtu.be/Pg0fsuumQLw

    Big ears & big nose: dumbo & pink panther? https://youtu.be/CEWUnNXKFtM

    I thought you said they were building wooden ships.
    Canoes. You got to have ground tools to make hollow tree trunks. You
    got to have bronze to make wooden ships.
    I didn't read what JTEM wrote, but Chinese had all of those, and yet,
    they didn't come to America. Too cold. Eskimos did, though.
    In my view, we are modern erectus. The only difference is the use of hematite, nothing else. So, erectus started to use hematite and became
    human.
    I mean, it isn't easy to live in cold, you have to be adapted to it.
    Hematite produced (obviously) two kind of humans, Neanderthals and Homo sapiens. Neanderthals were adapted to coldness.

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    human-e...@googlegroups.com

    The first canoes were of bark, not wood, cut with stone choppers. In Australia, no dugout canoes until late, but they had bark canoes, also used in Chile & Amazon and Canada (Chippewa birch bark canoes). Later log canoes.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Apr 17 21:57:09 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:

    #1. Who said they didn't?

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sun Apr 17 21:30:13 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    Teehee, teehee, you are shockingly clever... must be the funniest
    alcoholic in your entire trailer park!

    Yes, I know someone who started a UFO group a zillion years
    ago. And if you need to cling to that, tell yourself that it makes
    stupid claims like "Naledi buried their dead" slightly less stupid,
    you go right ahead. It'll give me yet another thing to humiliate
    you over.

    Whatever.

    I don't care. I have a very long history in discussion groups and
    I never ever shied away from responding in kind. I am not "Above
    it all." So if you'd rather I rub your nose in your troll droppings
    than discuss these issues, I'm fine with that.

    Now, you were just confessing to be totally ignorant of any of the
    "anomalous" finds concerning humans in the Americas long before
    Clovis.

    Not surprised that you would be ignorant, even after I had just
    posted a video on that very topic...

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/KFzSoJv9U3A/m/T-cFCsgXAQAJ

    You should watch the video. It's the only way you'll be able to
    misunderstand it.

    KISSES!



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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Apr 17 22:33:24 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    What "anamolous" finds ->

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 18 21:00:30 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    [...]

    So do you bother with a glass at this point or have you graduated to
    drinking straight from the bottle.

    Whatever. You can spend all day pretending that being oblivious to
    your surroundings makes you clever, because it's not like you can
    see what you look like...




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sat Apr 23 22:25:35 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
      Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    What "anamolous" finds ->

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 24 13:54:26 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [anomalous stupidity blissfully snipped]

    Wow, you repeated your idiocy and now the video I cited vanished.... IT'S
    LIKE MAGIC! However do you manage?

    Drink up. The night is young!



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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Tue May 3 14:27:31 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:

    #1. Who said they didn't?

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly
    compelling evidence but some evidence just the
    same. Erectus may have reached the Americas. Maybe
    not.

    What "anamolous" NA finds?

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Wed May 4 09:43:38 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    What

    Gosh that's clever. Keep playing dumb!

    Lol! Notice how I politely said "Playing?"





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sun Jul 3 21:43:45 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    What "anamolous" finds ->

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 3 21:23:01 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [...]

    Wow, the drool on your chin is quite impressive... the sure sign of
    a brilliant man!




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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Thu Jul 28 21:59:32 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    What "anamolous" finds ->

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 1 15:23:46 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [...]

    This is genuinely dull.

    What do you think you're disputing here? Hmm?

    Say it. Spell it out. What are you trying to dispute, and
    what are you pretending it means?





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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 1 17:35:30 2022
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 5:56:34 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 28.3.2022. 13:56, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 6:16:55 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 28.3.2022. 11:20, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 12:05:31 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote: >>>> There were no planes, yet.

    There were flood plains, that's close enough.
    There weren't ships, either. Only giant Dumbos, and similar nasty
    creatures :) .
    https://youtu.be/Pg0fsuumQLw

    Big ears & big nose: dumbo & pink panther? https://youtu.be/CEWUnNXKFtM

    I thought you said they were building wooden ships.
    Canoes. You got to have ground tools to make hollow tree trunks. You
    got to have bronze to make wooden ships.
    I didn't read what JTEM wrote, but Chinese had all of those, and yet,
    they didn't come to America. Too cold. Eskimos did, though.
    In my view, we are modern erectus. The only difference is the use of hematite, nothing else. So, erectus started to use hematite and became human.
    I mean, it isn't easy to live in cold, you have to be adapted to it. Hematite produced (obviously) two kind of humans, Neanderthals and Homo sapiens. Neanderthals were adapted to coldness.

    --
    https://groups.google.com/g/human-evolution
    human-e...@googlegroups.com
    The first canoes were of bark, not wood, cut with stone choppers. In Australia, no dugout canoes until late, but they had bark canoes, also used in Chile & Amazon and Canada (Chippewa birch bark canoes). Later log canoes.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11070001/Humans-settled-North-America-17-000-years-EARLIER-previously-believed-study-finds.html

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Sun Aug 7 23:07:55 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    [...]

    This is genuinely dull.

    What do you think you're disputing here? Hmm?

    Say it. Spell it out. What are you trying to dispute, and
    what are you pretending it means?

    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    What "anamolous" finds ->

    How many times will you dodge this question?

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Tue Aug 9 10:01:26 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    How many times will you dodge this question?

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/XeL8jSZboC8/m/sNK6VzU3AQAJ

    Fascinating. You've got to know on some level, as strangled as your
    frontal lobe may be by your emotional "Issues," that if anyone but us
    is here, following along, they know you're an idiot.








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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to I Envy JTEM on Thu Aug 25 22:48:34 2022
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    How many times will you dodge this question?

    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/XeL8jSZboC8/m/sNK6VzU3AQAJ

    Fascinating. You've got to know on some level, as strangled as your
    frontal lobe may be by your emotional "Issues," that if anyone but us
    is here, following along, they know you're an idiot.

    You made up the claim. No surprise.

    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly

    Like what? Bigfoot? One of your UFOs?

    What "anamolous" finds ->

    How many times will you dodge this question?

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Aug 26 15:02:15 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You made up the claim.

    What claim? Are you still pretending that there are no anomalous
    finds or at least none ever mentioned in this group? That's dumb.

    Look. You suffer from a narcissistic personality disorder. You need to
    disrupt, STOP any conversation you can't control. It's a compulsion for
    your type. So you make demands for... for... stupid shit. Probably
    because it shut you down so many times in the past you think it must
    also work on everybody else.

    It doesn't.



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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Thu Sep 22 22:29:43 2022
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    You made up the claim.

    What claim? Are you still pretending that there are no anomalous

    The claim you're making.

    finds or at least none ever mentioned in this group? That's dumb.


    Re: Why erectus never made it to the Americas
    I Envy JTEM wrote:

    #1. Who said they didn't?

    There's plenty of "anomalous" finds. No proof, hardly
    compelling evidence but some evidence just the
    same. Erectus may have reached the Americas. Maybe
    not.

    Now, WHAT anomalus NA finds?

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Thu Sep 22 21:57:44 2022
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    The claim you're making.

    I don't want to play. You clearly have no interest in the topic...

    See: My recent post on the peopling of the Americas.




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